1 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:10,880 [Music] 2 00:00:36,220 --> 00:00:34,240 hello and welcome to the show on Martin 3 00:00:40,060 --> 00:00:36,230 will assure host and we have a fun 4 00:00:42,340 --> 00:00:40,070 trophy of this evening we got Ben Hansen 5 00:00:44,260 --> 00:00:42,350 he is going to be in for the first part 6 00:00:46,780 --> 00:00:44,270 of the show it's always great speaking 7 00:00:49,090 --> 00:00:46,790 with him he's a great guy 8 00:00:51,130 --> 00:00:49,100 and I can't wait to talk to him about 9 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:51,140 his new show on the Travel Channel and 10 00:00:56,890 --> 00:00:54,290 it's regarding ghosts we will touch on 11 00:01:01,750 --> 00:00:56,900 UFOs a little too in there I will 12 00:01:04,810 --> 00:01:01,760 promise you that and then in our 2 we 13 00:01:07,210 --> 00:01:04,820 have Walter Bosley on and he's going to 14 00:01:10,210 --> 00:01:07,220 be talking about UFOs he lives out in 15 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:10,220 the San burned in Dean Southern 16 00:01:14,890 --> 00:01:13,250 California I can't remember that not 17 00:01:17,260 --> 00:01:14,900 positive the name of the town he lives 18 00:01:19,930 --> 00:01:17,270 in but anyway we'll be talking about 19 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:19,940 UFOs in California and UFOs in general 20 00:01:23,740 --> 00:01:22,310 he has a thought that a lot of what 21 00:01:27,250 --> 00:01:23,750 people are seeing in military are going 22 00:01:29,140 --> 00:01:27,260 to be talking about that as well and so 23 00:01:32,530 --> 00:01:29,150 and we'll be taking calls on the new 24 00:01:35,620 --> 00:01:32,540 screening number and I'll be going over 25 00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:35,630 that in the second hour the phone number 26 00:01:41,050 --> 00:01:37,840 will be up on the screen for YouTube and 27 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:41,060 over at kgraney radio that number will 28 00:01:46,450 --> 00:01:43,250 be in put in the chat room over there so 29 00:01:48,610 --> 00:01:46,460 you have that and I want to thank 30 00:01:50,350 --> 00:01:48,620 everyone that supports the show anyone 31 00:01:52,660 --> 00:01:50,360 can do that and that's over at podcast 32 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:52,670 UFO calm and while you're there check 33 00:01:59,290 --> 00:01:55,130 out the blog this week it's called Mari 34 00:02:02,160 --> 00:01:59,300 island madness by Charles Lear and yes 35 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:02,170 there was a madness in the Mari island 36 00:02:08,529 --> 00:02:06,530 situation so for now I guess we're gonna 37 00:02:11,530 --> 00:02:08,539 start the show with UFO news with the 38 00:02:14,890 --> 00:02:11,540 one and only Alejandro Rojas how are you 39 00:02:16,710 --> 00:02:14,900 I don't know hello how's it going doing 40 00:02:20,259 --> 00:02:16,720 good good good good 41 00:02:22,449 --> 00:02:20,269 so so what is happening you were at 42 00:02:24,190 --> 00:02:22,459 Roswell I think they're yeah oh we're 43 00:02:28,259 --> 00:02:24,200 still in sync we're in sync we keep 44 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:28,269 starting our comments at the same time 45 00:02:35,260 --> 00:02:31,490 now we're out you go ahead 46 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:35,270 I wasn't Roswell yeah so peace to 47 00:02:42,370 --> 00:02:37,730 earthlings I just came from Roswell 48 00:02:45,430 --> 00:02:42,380 where I originally landed over what 60 49 00:02:49,180 --> 00:02:45,440 years ago in 1947 July somewhere around 50 00:02:54,730 --> 00:02:49,190 July 6 or 5th yeah yeah 51 00:02:56,590 --> 00:02:54,740 so the like second actually is the semi 52 00:02:57,790 --> 00:02:56,600 official date of the crash I didn't know 53 00:03:00,220 --> 00:02:57,800 this because that date has been in 54 00:03:02,590 --> 00:03:00,230 dispute and the news came on I was 55 00:03:04,270 --> 00:03:02,600 actually on a local news on July 2nd for 56 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:04,280 a youth world UFO day and she was like 57 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:07,970 yeah it's for you know the crash of the 58 00:03:10,630 --> 00:03:09,290 Roswell craft and I was like well I 59 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:10,640 don't think so could it wasn't the 60 00:03:15,670 --> 00:03:13,850 second and then later she's like I got 61 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:15,680 was and I felt like a total doofus 62 00:03:20,830 --> 00:03:17,510 because I'm supposed to be this expert 63 00:03:23,290 --> 00:03:20,840 and but that date has been debated by I 64 00:03:26,740 --> 00:03:23,300 know the big guy yeah so I don't know 65 00:03:28,570 --> 00:03:26,750 just too much in the weeds but yeah 66 00:03:28,990 --> 00:03:28,580 Roswell was a lot of fun a ton of people 67 00:03:32,350 --> 00:03:29,000 there 68 00:03:36,150 --> 00:03:32,360 it was also although it was fun it was 69 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:36,160 also a bit nostalgic in that we you know 70 00:03:40,690 --> 00:03:38,930 talked about San quite a bit Sam 71 00:03:44,020 --> 00:03:40,700 Friedman because we all wouldn't have 72 00:03:48,370 --> 00:03:44,030 been there if it wasn't for Stan and so 73 00:03:50,290 --> 00:03:48,380 at times a bit sad but also got a 74 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:50,300 celebratory of his life because he was 75 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:52,490 so well loved by everyone there and by 76 00:03:58,060 --> 00:03:55,490 the Roswell museum who hosted the event 77 00:04:01,650 --> 00:03:58,070 and everything so it was a lot of fun 78 00:04:06,610 --> 00:04:01,660 ton of people came through as usual and 79 00:04:09,610 --> 00:04:06,620 and the newspaper actually covered both 80 00:04:10,090 --> 00:04:09,620 of my talks and then I submitted for 81 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:10,100 them 82 00:04:16,090 --> 00:04:13,610 the an article so I posted those links 83 00:04:18,550 --> 00:04:16,100 also in the news for the Roswell Daily 84 00:04:20,740 --> 00:04:18,560 Record and I guess I'll get into the 85 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:20,750 news because what I wrote in that 86 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:22,610 article was regarding some of this news 87 00:04:29,340 --> 00:04:25,610 which is essentially how UFOs are 88 00:04:33,220 --> 00:04:29,350 becoming a hot topic in Washington DC so 89 00:04:36,700 --> 00:04:33,230 we've heard that you know couple 90 00:04:39,610 --> 00:04:36,710 different areas of claim to be briefed 91 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:39,620 on you up so while we were out in 92 00:04:43,420 --> 00:04:41,510 Roswell which is so strange you know to 93 00:04:45,370 --> 00:04:43,430 think that the festival is the same as 94 00:04:49,300 --> 00:04:45,380 usual people buying their UFO shirt 95 00:04:52,270 --> 00:04:49,310 that alien costume contest for the 96 00:04:54,070 --> 00:04:52,280 animals and humans going on and the 97 00:04:55,510 --> 00:04:54,080 parade where people dress really funny 98 00:04:57,670 --> 00:04:55,520 and kind of celebrate kind of the 99 00:04:59,800 --> 00:04:57,680 weirdness of the alien thing meanwhile 100 00:05:03,430 --> 00:04:59,810 we're at the Museum sharing credible 101 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:03,440 information and meanwhile in Washington 102 00:05:11,050 --> 00:05:05,930 DC the president is getting grilled by 103 00:05:12,550 --> 00:05:11,060 Fox News about UFOs that was really 104 00:05:14,170 --> 00:05:12,560 interesting some of you might have seen 105 00:05:15,580 --> 00:05:14,180 this Tucker Carlson of Fox News of 106 00:05:17,470 --> 00:05:15,590 course it's been talking about UFOs and 107 00:05:18,750 --> 00:05:17,480 interviewing Lou Elizondo and David 108 00:05:23,230 --> 00:05:18,760 braver and some of the other people 109 00:05:28,180 --> 00:05:23,240 government people or pilots too about 110 00:05:30,190 --> 00:05:28,190 UFO sightings and he seemed very finds 111 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:30,200 this information very compelling well he 112 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:31,730 asked president if he what he felt about 113 00:05:34,810 --> 00:05:33,410 the UFOs and the president said well I 114 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:34,820 don't really believe in them but you 115 00:05:40,330 --> 00:05:38,210 never know and tucker carlson pushed him 116 00:05:42,580 --> 00:05:40,340 on one of the things Elizondo told him 117 00:05:44,290 --> 00:05:42,590 that was shocking which was you know 118 00:05:46,060 --> 00:05:44,300 they said they there's even material 119 00:05:47,290 --> 00:05:46,070 from a crashed UFO and the president 120 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:47,300 said why haven't heard anything like 121 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:49,970 that I don't know about that but you 122 00:05:56,530 --> 00:05:54,650 never know yeah and I think personally 123 00:05:59,470 --> 00:05:56,540 that the president's telling the truth 124 00:06:00,640 --> 00:05:59,480 here that his short briefing which is he 125 00:06:04,210 --> 00:06:00,650 didn't even call it a briefing he said 126 00:06:06,940 --> 00:06:04,220 his brief meeting from the navy on ufos 127 00:06:09,220 --> 00:06:06,950 was about these Navy pilots and that 128 00:06:10,660 --> 00:06:09,230 seems to be all they told him so they 129 00:06:12,190 --> 00:06:10,670 might not have told him about this other 130 00:06:14,170 --> 00:06:12,200 stuff although he did tell Tucker 131 00:06:16,630 --> 00:06:14,180 Carlson he's seen some of his shows on 132 00:06:20,530 --> 00:06:16,640 that and we all know he watches Fox News 133 00:06:22,930 --> 00:06:20,540 a lot so no doubt he has seen some of 134 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:22,940 these interviews but at least what he's 135 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:25,130 been giving given so far doesn't seem 136 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:28,730 compelling to him but I think the bigger 137 00:06:33,970 --> 00:06:31,010 story for those of us who do this and 138 00:06:36,460 --> 00:06:33,980 have been doing this for so long is that 139 00:06:39,430 --> 00:06:36,470 the you know the president is talking 140 00:06:42,010 --> 00:06:39,440 about UFOs and and being asked about 141 00:06:44,770 --> 00:06:42,020 them not in a tongue-in-cheek matter 142 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:44,780 manner but in a serious manner yeah and 143 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:46,850 it shows that this topic is taken 144 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:49,130 seriously in Washington and the 145 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:50,930 mainstream media at this point which is 146 00:06:55,780 --> 00:06:53,930 you know quite remarkable I think I 147 00:06:58,580 --> 00:06:55,790 think so too and the other big news with 148 00:06:59,780 --> 00:06:58,590 that is you know that 149 00:07:03,260 --> 00:06:59,790 the president might have been telling 150 00:07:05,420 --> 00:07:03,270 the truth exactly boys thank you 151 00:07:06,020 --> 00:07:05,430 shocking as well I think I'm gonna get 152 00:07:09,950 --> 00:07:06,030 some mail 153 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:09,960 yeah we're gonna go there but I know you 154 00:07:14,690 --> 00:07:11,810 get a lot of mail with ya ever even 155 00:07:16,430 --> 00:07:14,700 whenever we allude to the president even 156 00:07:18,740 --> 00:07:16,440 I know we're not saying anything 157 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:18,750 critical we get mail that's Joe you're 158 00:07:22,730 --> 00:07:20,490 gonna get a heap of it yeah yeah I'll 159 00:07:27,380 --> 00:07:22,740 just put the CD no politics though this 160 00:07:30,830 --> 00:07:27,390 is really interesting a YouGov poll that 161 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:30,840 was done recently that most Americans in 162 00:07:36,290 --> 00:07:33,330 this results of this poll believe the 163 00:07:39,530 --> 00:07:36,300 government is hiding info about UFOs 164 00:07:41,660 --> 00:07:39,540 mm-hmm so it's not too surprising we've 165 00:07:45,490 --> 00:07:41,670 seen this before but it's a large 166 00:07:48,020 --> 00:07:45,500 percentage so they say in their stats 167 00:07:50,270 --> 00:07:48,030 54% of Americans believe the government 168 00:07:52,550 --> 00:07:50,280 knows something about UFOs that's not 169 00:07:55,610 --> 00:07:52,560 being shared with the public now there 170 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:55,620 is a caveat to that what they said was 171 00:08:00,500 --> 00:07:58,290 the question they asked how likely or 172 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:00,510 unlikely do you believe it is that the 173 00:08:04,010 --> 00:08:02,250 government knows something about UFOs 174 00:08:07,790 --> 00:08:04,020 that's not being shared with the public 175 00:08:09,410 --> 00:08:07,800 so the total average because here's the 176 00:08:12,350 --> 00:08:09,420 answers you could give very likely 177 00:08:16,490 --> 00:08:12,360 somewhat likely somewhat unlikely very 178 00:08:19,130 --> 00:08:16,500 unlikely or don't know so with that 54% 179 00:08:23,270 --> 00:08:19,140 they grouped the very likely and the 180 00:08:25,990 --> 00:08:23,280 somewhat likely 28% said it was very 181 00:08:29,810 --> 00:08:26,000 likely the government's hiding something 182 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:29,820 26% said somewhat likely so I think 183 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:31,710 that's kind of an important distinction 184 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:34,410 and then 19 said I don't know this is 185 00:08:40,510 --> 00:08:36,810 sort of interesting though Democrats 186 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:40,520 more than Republicans believe that 187 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:45,530 something's being hidden so sixty-first 188 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:49,650 62% of the Democrats as opposed to 51% 189 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:51,570 of the Republicans I don't know what to 190 00:08:55,790 --> 00:08:53,370 make of that whatsoever to be honest 191 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:55,800 right but I would have thought the 192 00:08:59,770 --> 00:08:57,930 opposite actually so that's kind of 193 00:09:03,380 --> 00:08:59,780 interesting because of course 194 00:09:04,910 --> 00:09:03,390 Republicans are more kind of I don't 195 00:09:07,340 --> 00:09:04,920 know if I'd say anti-government I don't 196 00:09:09,050 --> 00:09:07,350 know in a way that's true but it's more 197 00:09:10,250 --> 00:09:09,060 you know they're kind of more you know 198 00:09:12,050 --> 00:09:10,260 they want the government to stay out of 199 00:09:12,830 --> 00:09:12,060 their business right less control see 200 00:09:15,019 --> 00:09:12,840 you I know 201 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:15,029 yes I would have thought the Republicans 202 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:17,730 would have felt that way more so but the 203 00:09:23,150 --> 00:09:20,370 least the group that believe this the 204 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:23,160 the the least were the independence the 205 00:09:28,220 --> 00:09:25,890 independence well less likely that's 206 00:09:30,079 --> 00:09:28,230 amazing yeah yeah so pretty interesting 207 00:09:32,769 --> 00:09:30,089 and then finally this is also 208 00:09:37,579 --> 00:09:32,779 interesting I think this is really weird 209 00:09:39,700 --> 00:09:37,589 the for 45 to 54 age group was the most 210 00:09:44,090 --> 00:09:39,710 likely to believe in government secrets 211 00:09:46,550 --> 00:09:44,100 by a large percentage so it's about 65 212 00:09:52,070 --> 00:09:46,560 percent even of the forty five to fifty 213 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:52,080 four percent group however the 18 to 24 214 00:09:57,769 --> 00:09:54,930 year olds were the least likely at only 215 00:10:01,550 --> 00:09:57,779 like forty one percent and only 10 216 00:10:03,350 --> 00:10:01,560 percent of the 18 to 24 thought it was a 217 00:10:05,870 --> 00:10:03,360 very likely the government hiding 218 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:05,880 something what's strange about that is 219 00:10:11,060 --> 00:10:08,610 that 18 to 24 is the age group that by 220 00:10:14,079 --> 00:10:11,070 far believes that aliens are here and 221 00:10:16,430 --> 00:10:14,089 aliens exist or listen to these shows 222 00:10:18,260 --> 00:10:16,440 yeah a lot of the listen to that you 223 00:10:22,460 --> 00:10:18,270 know demographically you listen to the 224 00:10:25,730 --> 00:10:22,470 show mm-hmm so they very much think that 225 00:10:28,010 --> 00:10:25,740 aliens are real and I think that UFOs 226 00:10:31,490 --> 00:10:28,020 are real but they don't think the 227 00:10:34,010 --> 00:10:31,500 government knows much and honestly and I 228 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:34,020 think you feel the same way that that's 229 00:10:39,260 --> 00:10:35,970 likely true I think they're not giving 230 00:10:41,660 --> 00:10:39,270 the government the credit that that for 231 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:41,670 some reason older people give the 232 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:42,930 government like the government is 233 00:10:48,020 --> 00:10:45,210 somehow all-knowing and has all the 234 00:10:51,140 --> 00:10:48,030 answers even though we don't trust them 235 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:51,150 to be able to tie their shoes somehow 236 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:53,250 they have all the secrets and have been 237 00:10:57,410 --> 00:10:55,650 able to keep it from us it seems like 238 00:10:59,240 --> 00:10:57,420 the younger folks don't buy that that 239 00:11:00,920 --> 00:10:59,250 they think that the government is just 240 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:00,930 as much in the dark as the rest of us 241 00:11:05,300 --> 00:11:03,330 when it comes to this topic right right 242 00:11:07,490 --> 00:11:05,310 I'm impressed with those young 243 00:11:08,300 --> 00:11:07,500 whippersnappers for believing that I 244 00:11:11,180 --> 00:11:08,310 think they're right 245 00:11:14,449 --> 00:11:11,190 that's pretty amazing well hey our guest 246 00:11:16,820 --> 00:11:14,459 just called in and really he's early 247 00:11:19,460 --> 00:11:16,830 he's early that's cool though yeah I 248 00:11:19,930 --> 00:11:19,470 want to talk some more all right go 249 00:11:23,780 --> 00:11:19,940 ahead 250 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:23,790 no I'm Minister guest is bad right then 251 00:11:27,189 --> 00:11:25,010 Henson yes 252 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:27,199 yeah the one an owner he's a good buddy 253 00:11:31,780 --> 00:11:29,810 yeah all right alejandro thanks someone 254 00:11:35,189 --> 00:11:31,790 will say hi to him you could say hi hey 255 00:11:38,650 --> 00:11:35,199 Ben how's it going doing good doing good 256 00:11:41,350 --> 00:11:38,660 congratulations on the show thank you 257 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:41,360 thank you so much as we chatted I know 258 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:43,130 it has been a while you've been busy 259 00:11:49,509 --> 00:11:46,130 shooting with your shooting your your 260 00:11:52,060 --> 00:11:49,519 cool show but I guess the last piece is 261 00:11:54,220 --> 00:11:52,070 that of course everybody can go see all 262 00:11:56,199 --> 00:11:54,230 of this latest news on the front page of 263 00:11:59,259 --> 00:11:56,209 open mind TV if you want to see more of 264 00:12:02,350 --> 00:11:59,269 the latest there's a lot of UFO news 265 00:12:03,910 --> 00:12:02,360 these days and Ben have you been keeping 266 00:12:07,090 --> 00:12:03,920 up with the news cuz your show is about 267 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:07,100 ghost hunting you know 268 00:12:11,620 --> 00:12:09,769 it's been so hard it's been really hard 269 00:12:13,810 --> 00:12:11,630 because it keeps coming out so fast 270 00:12:16,420 --> 00:12:13,820 most of my news is if I get a chance to 271 00:12:18,550 --> 00:12:16,430 read your summaries and articles that's 272 00:12:20,829 --> 00:12:18,560 like all I'm able to do you know it's 273 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:20,839 like one day after the next Oh Trump's 274 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:23,690 gonna say something Oh Luis Elizondo did 275 00:12:30,069 --> 00:12:26,089 this or did that and it's just so hard 276 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:30,079 to keep up yeah yeah I'm sorry it's hard 277 00:12:36,340 --> 00:12:33,410 for me to keep up yeah there was 278 00:12:39,340 --> 00:12:36,350 something I said recently and not too 279 00:12:40,870 --> 00:12:39,350 long ago in Jeremy corbels like no in my 280 00:12:42,519 --> 00:12:40,880 interview you'll see that this happened 281 00:12:44,319 --> 00:12:42,529 back then and I'm like oh sorry dude I 282 00:12:46,569 --> 00:12:44,329 didn't even there's just so much 283 00:12:48,910 --> 00:12:46,579 information so it's helpful that lots of 284 00:12:50,530 --> 00:12:48,920 you other people are involved in this 285 00:12:52,180 --> 00:12:50,540 and everything and I guess we're just 286 00:12:55,170 --> 00:12:52,190 gonna have to hook up at some point soon 287 00:12:58,750 --> 00:12:55,180 Ben and off get you up to speed 288 00:13:01,000 --> 00:12:58,760 because I it's unless you're in this 289 00:13:04,269 --> 00:13:01,010 full-time you know like some of us are 290 00:13:06,430 --> 00:13:04,279 it's it's too hard to keep a day job and 291 00:13:09,309 --> 00:13:06,440 a staff on it you know and yeah people 292 00:13:12,430 --> 00:13:09,319 expect you to give them the summaries of 293 00:13:14,199 --> 00:13:12,440 what's important you know so it is a 294 00:13:16,269 --> 00:13:14,209 it's a full-time job whether you like or 295 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:16,279 not right yeah and you know I I just 296 00:13:20,949 --> 00:13:18,769 recently that was one of my talks in 297 00:13:24,129 --> 00:13:20,959 Roswell was getting people up to speed 298 00:13:26,110 --> 00:13:24,139 on all of this and so there were some 299 00:13:28,300 --> 00:13:26,120 people who recorded and I know so as 300 00:13:29,889 --> 00:13:28,310 soon as that comes up I'll share that on 301 00:13:31,530 --> 00:13:29,899 my social media and I'll send it to you 302 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:31,540 Ben okay 303 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:37,310 alejandro thanks so much thank you have 304 00:13:41,079 --> 00:13:38,930 a great 305 00:13:42,449 --> 00:13:41,089 and we'll talk to you guys soon all 306 00:13:46,179 --> 00:13:42,459 right take care 307 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:46,189 good Ben welcome to the show 308 00:13:50,290 --> 00:13:48,889 thanks so much okay right yeah it's 309 00:13:52,299 --> 00:13:50,300 always great talking to you whether it's 310 00:13:56,100 --> 00:13:52,309 here or in person or whatever it's 311 00:13:58,449 --> 00:13:56,110 always fun and so I have a fancy 312 00:14:00,549 --> 00:13:58,459 microphone like alejandro 313 00:14:03,460 --> 00:14:00,559 but i'm talking to you from my laptop at 314 00:14:05,439 --> 00:14:03,470 the moment because I had to refresh 315 00:14:07,179 --> 00:14:05,449 everything so when you take your first 316 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:07,189 commercial break maybe we'll switch over 317 00:14:11,439 --> 00:14:09,529 and sure yeah yeah and that'll be 318 00:14:13,210 --> 00:14:11,449 that'll be at about eight minutes from 319 00:14:16,119 --> 00:14:13,220 now we're gonna be doing that okay so 320 00:14:19,449 --> 00:14:16,129 alright excellent so for the person that 321 00:14:21,579 --> 00:14:19,459 is that is not familiar with you you you 322 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:21,589 you have an FBI background you have a 323 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:24,170 very interesting background and we 324 00:14:27,999 --> 00:14:26,689 normally wouldn't you know have you go 325 00:14:29,919 --> 00:14:28,009 through all this but we have so many new 326 00:14:32,710 --> 00:14:29,929 listeners to the show if you wouldn't 327 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:32,720 mind and and also talk about your the 328 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:34,730 show that a lot of people may recognize 329 00:14:43,239 --> 00:14:38,929 you from faker fact or did I say at the 330 00:14:44,139 --> 00:14:43,249 back to say it er yeah factor faith yeah 331 00:14:45,970 --> 00:14:44,149 yeah 332 00:14:49,419 --> 00:14:45,980 so go ahead if you would talk about your 333 00:14:53,139 --> 00:14:49,429 background and all that please okay sure 334 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:53,149 so I am my first love I guess you could 335 00:15:01,480 --> 00:14:57,410 say of these unusual subjects was UFOs 336 00:15:04,749 --> 00:15:01,490 and I was probably what was like five 337 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:04,759 years old when et came out and I'm like 338 00:15:08,410 --> 00:15:06,410 a lot of people your first kind of 339 00:15:13,269 --> 00:15:08,420 introduction to it you know is through 340 00:15:14,829 --> 00:15:13,279 movies and um so I was a kid you know 341 00:15:17,610 --> 00:15:14,839 read a lot of books and my parents 342 00:15:21,009 --> 00:15:17,620 encouraged me they would buy me things 343 00:15:22,629 --> 00:15:21,019 far beyond my reading level and I would 344 00:15:26,049 --> 00:15:22,639 collect newspaper articles and I was 345 00:15:29,199 --> 00:15:26,059 just fascinated the 80s you know when we 346 00:15:31,449 --> 00:15:29,209 had print newspapers you would see stuff 347 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:31,459 come out and then if you didn't clip it 348 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:33,290 out and save that it was gone it was it 349 00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:35,929 was so hard to search things so I had a 350 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:38,720 you know thick stack of articles of UFO 351 00:15:43,929 --> 00:15:42,410 things so I got older you know I kind of 352 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:43,939 put it away because the subject kind of 353 00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:46,730 scared me I didn't know what to do with 354 00:15:52,090 --> 00:15:49,459 it I believed it was possible and that 355 00:15:53,730 --> 00:15:52,100 we've been visited and it wasn't until I 356 00:16:01,140 --> 00:15:53,740 was in 357 00:16:05,410 --> 00:16:01,150 Florida and was there for the summer 358 00:16:07,150 --> 00:16:05,420 doing pest control and on my way home my 359 00:16:09,220 --> 00:16:07,160 friend I decided to take a little cruise 360 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:09,230 over the Bahamas and it was just an 361 00:16:13,890 --> 00:16:12,050 overnight thing and on that ship one 362 00:16:17,530 --> 00:16:13,900 night is were out looking at the Stars 363 00:16:21,340 --> 00:16:17,540 we saw an object that was doing s turns 364 00:16:22,750 --> 00:16:21,350 and moving incredibly fast and it kind 365 00:16:24,970 --> 00:16:22,760 of got me re 366 00:16:28,630 --> 00:16:24,980 I guess initiated and excited about it 367 00:16:30,750 --> 00:16:28,640 hmm and when I graduated college I went 368 00:16:34,750 --> 00:16:30,760 to work my degree was in sociology 369 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:34,760 criminology went to work for the state 370 00:16:40,510 --> 00:16:37,570 of Utah investigating child sex crimes 371 00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:40,520 severe physical abuse cases so it's not 372 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:46,880 like the greatest party discussion so 373 00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:49,250 the end goal was to work for a federal 374 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:50,720 law enforcement which I did I work for 375 00:16:53,860 --> 00:16:51,170 the FBI 376 00:16:55,390 --> 00:16:53,870 I don't describe myself as a veteran by 377 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:55,400 any means I was there just for a couple 378 00:17:02,380 --> 00:16:58,250 years but it wasn't what I expected and 379 00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:02,390 you know I I would say the greatest part 380 00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:05,510 about it though is the training and most 381 00:17:13,329 --> 00:17:09,199 of people I've worked with really gave 382 00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:13,339 me a chance to kind of like I guess 383 00:17:18,270 --> 00:17:16,880 refined skills I already had but to be 384 00:17:21,220 --> 00:17:18,280 able to look at something objectively 385 00:17:23,020 --> 00:17:21,230 which I think this field is sometimes 386 00:17:28,179 --> 00:17:23,030 lacking quite a bit of and we don't 387 00:17:29,470 --> 00:17:28,189 question because it's so anecdotal you 388 00:17:33,430 --> 00:17:29,480 know I tell people all the time it's 389 00:17:36,010 --> 00:17:33,440 it's experiential it's it's almost like 390 00:17:37,300 --> 00:17:36,020 a religion you apology mm-hmm 391 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:37,310 it's just good and bad because we're 392 00:17:41,230 --> 00:17:39,170 very accepting but my background in law 393 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:41,240 enforcement kind of helped me separate 394 00:17:46,300 --> 00:17:43,850 the emotion the feeling of it all with 395 00:17:48,790 --> 00:17:46,310 okay well let's look at the facts are we 396 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:48,800 trying to convince people what are we 397 00:17:55,900 --> 00:17:51,770 trying to do here and how can we best do 398 00:17:59,620 --> 00:17:55,910 that and so I got into TV world sort of 399 00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:59,630 by accident I was kind of connected to a 400 00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:01,280 production company that was looking to 401 00:18:06,649 --> 00:18:04,880 do a TV show about paranormal but they 402 00:18:11,629 --> 00:18:06,659 didn't have any idea of what 403 00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:11,639 wanted to do and so I had a group that 404 00:18:16,609 --> 00:18:13,470 we did mostly ghost-hunting just kind of 405 00:18:17,779 --> 00:18:16,619 for fun on the side but I said look it 406 00:18:19,549 --> 00:18:17,789 was really cool cuz being in the ground 407 00:18:20,839 --> 00:18:19,559 level I said if you guys only do ghosts 408 00:18:23,869 --> 00:18:20,849 because ghost hunting was big at that 409 00:18:27,169 --> 00:18:23,879 time like it is now is that if you only 410 00:18:29,509 --> 00:18:27,179 do ghosts you're missing out there's a 411 00:18:33,229 --> 00:18:29,519 huge interest in UFOs there's a huge 412 00:18:36,049 --> 00:18:33,239 interest in in Bigfoot and we devised a 413 00:18:38,810 --> 00:18:36,059 show I would say probably 80% of my 414 00:18:41,210 --> 00:18:38,820 input which turned into what became fact 415 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:41,220 or faked paranormal files on the sci-fi 416 00:18:47,299 --> 00:18:44,809 channel and it went for three seasons 417 00:18:52,759 --> 00:18:47,309 six of us would go out it was sort of 418 00:18:55,129 --> 00:18:52,769 like a cross between Mythbusters and you 419 00:18:59,149 --> 00:18:55,139 know like ghost hunters and and UFO 420 00:19:02,599 --> 00:18:59,159 Hunters and the premise was take what 421 00:19:05,930 --> 00:19:02,609 people are claiming at face value and 422 00:19:07,339 --> 00:19:05,940 say okay before we start the case what 423 00:19:10,129 --> 00:19:07,349 do you have for us is it interesting 424 00:19:13,399 --> 00:19:10,139 enough that we can test your experience 425 00:19:16,879 --> 00:19:13,409 or test you claim to captured and that's 426 00:19:20,589 --> 00:19:16,889 how it went so we we do experiments and 427 00:19:23,779 --> 00:19:20,599 it was really fun I mean we yeah and all 428 00:19:25,369 --> 00:19:23,789 yeah I've really enjoyed that show very 429 00:19:29,169 --> 00:19:25,379 much and anyone I think you can still 430 00:19:31,940 --> 00:19:29,179 find episodes of it right yeah I believe 431 00:19:34,909 --> 00:19:31,950 destination America bought the rights to 432 00:19:37,549 --> 00:19:34,919 it on to show it and I think travel was 433 00:19:40,460 --> 00:19:37,559 showing reruns I'm not sure yeah so 434 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:40,470 discovery owns it now on reruns and you 435 00:19:43,999 --> 00:19:42,330 can probably find it on YouTube yeah 436 00:19:47,389 --> 00:19:44,009 we're going to go into break in about 437 00:19:49,009 --> 00:19:47,399 three minutes or so but and then we're 438 00:19:52,580 --> 00:19:49,019 going to talk about your new show at 439 00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:52,590 that time but not I want to just ask you 440 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:54,960 about this particular show that you were 441 00:20:00,320 --> 00:19:57,090 in in the beginning because I do 442 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:00,330 remember that you actually found some 443 00:20:06,019 --> 00:20:02,369 people that were actually fraudulent and 444 00:20:09,529 --> 00:20:06,029 they were fake and one of them comes to 445 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:09,539 mind when that let's see the UFO and the 446 00:20:13,789 --> 00:20:11,820 forest were the I think that it 447 00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:13,799 supposedly killed the guy's dog and all 448 00:20:20,419 --> 00:20:16,399 that and that was that was kind of a 449 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:20,429 yeah yeah but you kind of you kind of 450 00:20:25,340 --> 00:20:22,650 call that guy out really didn't show on 451 00:20:29,090 --> 00:20:25,350 that particularly beginning we probably 452 00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,100 had more cases or unexplained but is 453 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:31,200 that we got in the second third season 454 00:20:36,140 --> 00:20:33,570 we have people coming to us and a lot of 455 00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:36,150 them just wanted face time they wanted 456 00:20:41,690 --> 00:20:38,100 yeah you know a lot more scammers and 457 00:20:43,940 --> 00:20:41,700 and his his actually Stan Freeman did 458 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:43,950 quite a bit of work on that case and so 459 00:20:49,010 --> 00:20:46,710 most people regarded it as a fake 460 00:20:51,620 --> 00:20:49,020 however there were so many people who 461 00:20:53,419 --> 00:20:51,630 were still in his camp that I decided to 462 00:20:55,010 --> 00:20:53,429 hey let's look at it objectively he 463 00:20:57,950 --> 00:20:55,020 claims to have good video evidence and 464 00:21:00,019 --> 00:20:57,960 yeah we called him out and there's still 465 00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,029 people and their people kind of attacked 466 00:21:04,399 --> 00:21:02,640 you for doing that right and and there's 467 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:04,409 still people that back him a hundred 468 00:21:09,460 --> 00:21:06,450 percent even with all the evidence right 469 00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:09,470 there which is really bizarre there are 470 00:21:14,539 --> 00:21:11,520 we don't we don't want to be that type 471 00:21:16,580 --> 00:21:14,549 of person to go after our own but if we 472 00:21:18,980 --> 00:21:16,590 don't you know how do we meet in 473 00:21:21,230 --> 00:21:18,990 credibility yeah I think it's important 474 00:21:23,330 --> 00:21:21,240 I really do think it's important and and 475 00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:23,340 you know that's why you know I made a 476 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:25,260 couple of enemies by calling out a few 477 00:21:29,870 --> 00:21:26,970 people on YouTube and stuff like that 478 00:21:31,269 --> 00:21:29,880 you know but you know if people are 479 00:21:33,470 --> 00:21:31,279 looking for the right information 480 00:21:35,870 --> 00:21:33,480 they're just going to get turned off and 481 00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:35,880 go away and not have any interest in it 482 00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:38,880 at all once they find you know third 483 00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:41,070 phase of the Moon I understand secure 484 00:21:45,860 --> 00:21:43,049 team Tim ten he's trying to clean up his 485 00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,870 act a little bit I'm not really sure you 486 00:21:50,769 --> 00:21:47,760 know that's what I keep hearing from 487 00:21:53,450 --> 00:21:50,779 people but if people go there for source 488 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:53,460 you know they're they're gonna be 489 00:21:57,169 --> 00:21:54,809 discouraged as soon as they find out 490 00:21:58,880 --> 00:21:57,179 that it's fake and then they'll just go 491 00:22:00,500 --> 00:21:58,890 away from the whole UFO topic and the 492 00:22:02,570 --> 00:22:00,510 won't have any interest in it I've just 493 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:02,580 seen enough of that happen in my life 494 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:06,690 now in different ways so anyway we are 495 00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:08,850 ready to go into the break and how I'm 496 00:22:13,220 --> 00:22:11,760 gonna do that because Ben's got to reset 497 00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,230 in everything I'm actually going to stop 498 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:15,840 the stream and everything and so I need 499 00:22:22,899 --> 00:22:18,809 everyone to hang in there we're going to 500 00:22:25,399 --> 00:22:22,909 be right back right after these messages 501 00:22:28,220 --> 00:22:25,409 welcome back to the show my guest 502 00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:28,230 tonight for this first hour is Ben 503 00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:33,030 Hansen Ben so where were we when we went 504 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:34,110 to break you know it's funny 505 00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:38,730 I usually write things down we're 506 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:42,000 talking about people that you you found 507 00:22:47,180 --> 00:22:45,450 that we're fake and before we move on 508 00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:47,190 from basically that topic was there some 509 00:22:56,030 --> 00:22:50,520 other like major sightings or things 510 00:22:59,620 --> 00:22:56,040 that are they're really well-known that 511 00:23:02,510 --> 00:22:59,630 you know actually you found there was a 512 00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:02,520 you know could not be reproduced or a 513 00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:04,620 you know you kind of did sort of in a 514 00:23:11,630 --> 00:23:08,400 scientific manner right yeah so we like 515 00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:11,640 taking on a couple historic cases one of 516 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:12,900 them that comes to mind is a Rex Heflin 517 00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:15,770 case oh yeah that took place here and 518 00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:19,440 guess it was Santa Ana Tustin area in 519 00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:23,220 California and I want I wanted to 520 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:27,000 believe that case and and I still the 521 00:23:30,980 --> 00:23:28,770 jury's kind of out on it but it followed 522 00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:30,990 kind of some patterns that were typical 523 00:23:36,380 --> 00:23:33,480 you know where the story I call it 524 00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,390 legend izing I do a lecture on hoaxers 525 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:38,880 and what happened and the Heflin case it 526 00:23:46,850 --> 00:23:43,650 wasn't on the show was a mutual friend 527 00:23:50,299 --> 00:23:46,860 of ours I'm sure you know Bob cavia he 528 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:50,309 was he was working on our show as a 529 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:51,210 producer 530 00:23:57,049 --> 00:23:53,730 and he was doing unsolved mysteries I 531 00:24:00,289 --> 00:23:57,059 think way back in the day anyways when 532 00:24:01,490 --> 00:24:00,299 Rex was alive he reached out to him to 533 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:01,500 get these photos for people who don't 534 00:24:09,980 --> 00:24:04,770 know Rex Heflin he was a construction 535 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:09,990 worker that worked on roadways and he 536 00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:11,490 was out with his truck and this is back 537 00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,600 in the day when there weren't even 538 00:24:18,409 --> 00:24:14,640 orchards in in Orange County California 539 00:24:18,980 --> 00:24:18,419 it was it was desolate and he's out by 540 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:18,990 the Toro 541 00:24:26,419 --> 00:24:22,410 I think del Toro Alpha Air Force Base El 542 00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:26,429 Toro and he sees this object as he's 543 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:30,480 there on the side of this dirt road he 544 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:32,850 sees an object hovering classic saucer 545 00:24:37,789 --> 00:24:35,010 shape so he takes out his Polaroid 546 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:37,799 camera and he snaps off I think it was 547 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:40,010 four or five photos with a Polaroid and 548 00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:43,650 as this thing comes over his his truck 549 00:24:47,930 --> 00:24:46,110 and then leaves sort of like a ring of 550 00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:47,940 smoke towards the end of 551 00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:52,080 and his story was one of the first where 552 00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:54,870 we here aside from maybe Roswell going 553 00:25:00,440 --> 00:24:56,760 back a little earlier of the men in 554 00:25:02,180 --> 00:25:00,450 black sort of thing going on he took 555 00:25:05,180 --> 00:25:02,190 these photos and within I can't remember 556 00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:05,190 how many days or weeks two men in black 557 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:07,860 suits show up to his house say they're 558 00:25:13,910 --> 00:25:11,690 from the government they want the photos 559 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:13,920 so they say they're gonna borrow them I 560 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:15,090 think they said they're from NORAD I 561 00:25:22,460 --> 00:25:18,570 can't remember wanted to borrow them and 562 00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:22,470 then didn't return them and he claims 563 00:25:27,050 --> 00:25:24,600 that they they took him back or 564 00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:27,060 something I can't Mahalo went but but 565 00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,470 Bob kvyat 566 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:30,960 was doing I think this unsolved mystery 567 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:32,730 show and he reaches out to his like hey 568 00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:35,730 they want to do your episode but we need 569 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:38,820 those photos and he says well they they 570 00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:41,010 took him back again or something like 571 00:25:45,380 --> 00:25:43,260 that and lo and behold like a week later 572 00:25:48,170 --> 00:25:45,390 he calls up Bob he says oh they just 573 00:25:50,060 --> 00:25:48,180 showed up in the mail someone someone 574 00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:50,070 put him in my mailbox and the photos are 575 00:25:56,450 --> 00:25:53,100 back and so that was my thing it's like 576 00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:56,460 well very very coincidental we were able 577 00:26:01,100 --> 00:25:58,650 to kind of recreate using pie tins and 578 00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,110 some other things it's kind of how I 579 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:03,120 feel about billy meier case you know if 580 00:26:09,770 --> 00:26:06,690 it looks like a saucer like a pie tin 581 00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:09,780 feels like one you know it's kind of 582 00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:12,480 like you're already kind of leaning 583 00:26:17,270 --> 00:26:14,070 towards it not being you want it to be 584 00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:17,280 true but we weren't able to really 585 00:26:22,010 --> 00:26:19,110 substantiate either way on that case 586 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:22,020 we're kind of mixed you know now aren't 587 00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:24,810 the original photos in I'm trying to 588 00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:28,230 remember the woman that's so well-known 589 00:26:37,940 --> 00:26:33,120 in Southern California she has those in 590 00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,950 her safe I believe her daughter said do 591 00:26:41,030 --> 00:26:39,600 you know how talking about I don't I 592 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:41,040 don't that meant that must have come up 593 00:26:46,820 --> 00:26:44,090 after maybe we did the episode because 594 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:46,830 when we were we're doing the show we 595 00:26:49,490 --> 00:26:48,210 didn't we didn't have access to the 596 00:26:52,370 --> 00:26:49,500 originals and Bob I'm sure would have 597 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:52,380 known about it yeah yeah that would be 598 00:26:57,890 --> 00:26:55,770 great yeah but I do I do remember the 599 00:27:00,170 --> 00:26:57,900 thing about what you said about them 600 00:27:01,090 --> 00:27:00,180 showing up in the mailbox after so many 601 00:27:03,310 --> 00:27:01,100 years you know 602 00:27:05,169 --> 00:27:03,320 I do remember that part so yeah that's 603 00:27:07,690 --> 00:27:05,179 that's the tricky one so tell us what 604 00:27:11,529 --> 00:27:07,700 you're up to now in this new Travel 605 00:27:13,299 --> 00:27:11,539 Channel show so yeah I've been over the 606 00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:13,309 you knows last several years I've been 607 00:27:20,770 --> 00:27:17,230 doing guest appearances here and there a 608 00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:20,780 combination of ghost hunting shows UFO 609 00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,510 appearances we did a real fun one on 610 00:27:28,990 --> 00:27:25,520 Smithsonian years ago that was called 611 00:27:32,049 --> 00:27:29,000 UFOs Declassified and then I helped work 612 00:27:35,980 --> 00:27:32,059 on on one that recently aired on the CW 613 00:27:38,130 --> 00:27:35,990 called Roswell decoded and I think they 614 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:38,140 got picked up for more episodes and 615 00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:41,090 finally you know kind of doing this here 616 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:42,320 and there helping people another 617 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:43,850 opportunity came along they said hey you 618 00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:45,970 know ghost hunting is hot again 619 00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:48,559 we all thought we're gonna kind of take 620 00:27:52,390 --> 00:27:50,270 a break from it but it's come back a 621 00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:52,400 little bit even stronger than it was 622 00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:56,289 before and I was yeah 623 00:28:02,560 --> 00:27:59,360 it's we can talk for hours about that 624 00:28:05,529 --> 00:28:02,570 and why I think that's the case actually 625 00:28:07,659 --> 00:28:05,539 working with some professors from 626 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:07,669 Chapman on doing a sociological study on 627 00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:08,570 this Wow 628 00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:12,440 but yeah it's it's back and if you look 629 00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:16,070 on a any travel and a little bit of 630 00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:18,080 history between those three networks 631 00:28:21,970 --> 00:28:20,000 they're pretty much buying up everything 632 00:28:26,409 --> 00:28:21,980 that's paranormal so that would include 633 00:28:29,380 --> 00:28:26,419 UFOs a lot of ghost hunting some Bigfoot 634 00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:29,390 things are coming back and you know kind 635 00:28:33,610 --> 00:28:31,400 of cycles like this until I think the 636 00:28:35,049 --> 00:28:33,620 market gets saturated and then you see 637 00:28:39,149 --> 00:28:35,059 what's left over only the best show 638 00:28:42,250 --> 00:28:39,159 survive yeah mm-hmm so I was filming for 639 00:28:44,620 --> 00:28:42,260 about three and a half months down in 640 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:44,630 Louisiana in a parish called Saint Mary 641 00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:45,890 Parish that's like their counties there 642 00:28:50,740 --> 00:28:49,220 and a lot of fun we're working with 643 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:50,750 local police departments who actually 644 00:28:56,830 --> 00:28:53,809 get calls people call 9-1-1 they call 645 00:28:59,440 --> 00:28:56,840 the police departments you know saying 646 00:29:02,649 --> 00:28:59,450 there's somebody in my house but I don't 647 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:02,659 think it's human there's things going on 648 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:04,490 I can't explain and the police are 649 00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:07,250 really in a great position because it's 650 00:29:11,530 --> 00:29:09,230 a tight-knit community they don't just 651 00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:11,540 just miss what people tell them you know 652 00:29:14,770 --> 00:29:12,830 and they'll go out but they're puzzled 653 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:14,780 they don't know what to do so 654 00:29:18,850 --> 00:29:17,210 we've been hand in hand responding to 655 00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,860 these calls that the police get down 656 00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:21,200 there in st. Mary Parish and trying to 657 00:29:28,150 --> 00:29:25,760 figure it out and there's there's a a 658 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:28,160 lot going on in that particular area 659 00:29:35,380 --> 00:29:32,090 which is really quite interesting in 660 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:35,390 itself you know when it comes to like a 661 00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,290 hot type of thing oh yeah I mean you if 662 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:41,120 you know anything about what happened 663 00:29:46,270 --> 00:29:43,850 after Katrina my friend bill Murphy who 664 00:29:50,380 --> 00:29:46,280 did a was that my co-host on fact or 665 00:29:53,710 --> 00:29:50,390 faked he did documentary on it and just 666 00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:53,720 the haunted area of New Orleans what 667 00:29:59,620 --> 00:29:56,480 became of it after Katrina seemed to 668 00:30:02,790 --> 00:29:59,630 almost I don't know reactivate things 669 00:30:06,540 --> 00:30:02,800 and you had so much tragedy and trauma 670 00:30:09,070 --> 00:30:06,550 that you you layer that sort of like I 671 00:30:12,580 --> 00:30:09,080 don't like an onion right you put that 672 00:30:16,450 --> 00:30:12,590 on top of the Civil War on top of the 673 00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:16,460 yellow fever on top of the Pirates and 674 00:30:20,740 --> 00:30:18,080 all the things that they had going on 675 00:30:23,950 --> 00:30:20,750 there and you have layers upon layers a 676 00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:23,960 very rich history in Louisiana and then 677 00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:27,440 currently you've got the Cajun you know 678 00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:30,380 and Creole cultures that are very 679 00:30:36,670 --> 00:30:33,230 superstitious oh yeah and it's like the 680 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:36,680 perfect mix of a very active location 681 00:30:41,980 --> 00:30:40,250 well well now I saw of the trailer on 682 00:30:44,170 --> 00:30:41,990 that I saw that you out in a boat I'm a 683 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:44,180 real boat type of guy love I was voting 684 00:30:50,410 --> 00:30:47,510 today so anything on the boat I would 685 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:50,420 love to do but so why are you out in 686 00:30:54,610 --> 00:30:53,090 this boat I mean that's and there was 687 00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:54,620 someone else in another boat I believe 688 00:30:59,140 --> 00:30:56,710 there are things happening on the water 689 00:31:00,610 --> 00:30:59,150 I'm gonna have to go I know what 690 00:31:02,980 --> 00:31:00,620 episodes coming up but I actually 691 00:31:07,420 --> 00:31:02,990 haven't seen the newest trailer probably 692 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:07,430 came out today so this Friday it's like 693 00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:12,410 9 p.m. 8 p.m. central on Travel Channel 694 00:31:20,650 --> 00:31:16,960 it's it's a an episode where we went out 695 00:31:23,050 --> 00:31:20,660 to a call that somebody had seen two 696 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:23,060 guys hoisting what looks like some sort 697 00:31:27,130 --> 00:31:25,310 of a treasure chest ok I know there's a 698 00:31:27,940 --> 00:31:27,140 there's an island out there in the bayou 699 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:27,950 mmm 700 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:31,130 it's it's it's kind of a privately owned 701 00:31:34,899 --> 00:31:33,289 secret sort of a place because that's 702 00:31:38,049 --> 00:31:34,909 where they film part of the TV show 703 00:31:41,289 --> 00:31:38,059 naked and afraid hmm it's it's way out 704 00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:41,299 there and so is we're out exploring we 705 00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,440 came into contact with a I witness to I 706 00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:47,840 guess you would call it sort of like an 707 00:31:52,210 --> 00:31:50,240 entity I the way I pictured it was sort 708 00:31:54,610 --> 00:31:52,220 of like predator there's like something 709 00:31:56,289 --> 00:31:54,620 out there lurking on the island that he 710 00:32:00,580 --> 00:31:56,299 experienced while he was filming the TV 711 00:32:02,289 --> 00:32:00,590 show and it scared him so badly that he 712 00:32:06,970 --> 00:32:02,299 and the woman that was there with him 713 00:32:08,740 --> 00:32:06,980 were pretty traumatized for years and so 714 00:32:10,659 --> 00:32:08,750 we explore that in the history of the 715 00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:10,669 island 716 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:12,590 and we're out there on those boats and 717 00:32:17,950 --> 00:32:15,049 alligators had not quite woken up yet it 718 00:32:20,350 --> 00:32:17,960 was this was like April when were 719 00:32:21,789 --> 00:32:20,360 filming so we wanted to see and we only 720 00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:21,799 saw a couple because it's got to get 721 00:32:27,879 --> 00:32:23,950 warm enough but there were all sorts of 722 00:32:28,690 --> 00:32:27,889 creepy things out there that's pretty 723 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:28,700 awesome 724 00:32:38,139 --> 00:32:34,610 so each is so is each episode different 725 00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,149 as far as you know a certain case and a 726 00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:40,159 certain investigation is that what the 727 00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,860 episodes are yeah so it follows because 728 00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:47,120 we're there working it's they're not 729 00:32:51,639 --> 00:32:49,070 standalone episodes because we're 730 00:32:53,230 --> 00:32:51,649 actually in the same location the whole 731 00:32:54,879 --> 00:32:53,240 time where as fact or faked was more 732 00:32:57,250 --> 00:32:54,889 what we call magazine-style show you 733 00:33:01,090 --> 00:32:57,260 know we'd get a case we go who knows 734 00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:01,100 across the world these cases do have 735 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:03,350 links because our whole goal was to try 736 00:33:06,690 --> 00:33:05,210 and help the local police departments 737 00:33:09,850 --> 00:33:06,700 try to figure out if there's an overall 738 00:33:11,889 --> 00:33:09,860 connection mm-hmm you know if it's just 739 00:33:14,590 --> 00:33:11,899 random or if there's actually something 740 00:33:18,610 --> 00:33:14,600 going on that might have intensified all 741 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:18,620 the sightings and so they they follow in 742 00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,330 sequence I mean you can tune in one week 743 00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:21,919 and you don't have to know what happened 744 00:33:26,350 --> 00:33:24,200 necessarily the week before I thought 745 00:33:30,850 --> 00:33:26,360 it's all in the same general area yeah 746 00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:30,860 yeah so as far as your your thoughts on 747 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:33,950 you know it's kind of I think there is 748 00:33:39,369 --> 00:33:36,769 something to this because I actually had 749 00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:39,379 an experience myself being in the 750 00:33:43,540 --> 00:33:41,750 antiques business cleaning out a house I 751 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:43,550 had something happened once that was 752 00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,530 just totally unexplainable but it really 753 00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:47,120 happened it happened right in front of 754 00:33:51,460 --> 00:33:49,460 me and what you see I didn't see 755 00:33:53,410 --> 00:33:51,470 anything but a door slammed in a room 756 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:53,420 where all the windows were down and the 757 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:55,130 door had to be dragged across the carpet 758 00:33:58,210 --> 00:33:56,810 to open because they never lowered that 759 00:34:00,610 --> 00:33:58,220 they never cut the bottom of the the 760 00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:00,620 door when they installed the carpet and 761 00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:02,750 that just slam shut and there was three 762 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:04,310 things happened that day one you know 763 00:34:08,590 --> 00:34:06,410 right after the other basically so it 764 00:34:11,139 --> 00:34:08,600 was actually something did it and there 765 00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:11,149 was something had to make that happen 766 00:34:17,850 --> 00:34:14,480 so there is something there there's 767 00:34:21,250 --> 00:34:17,860 something to it but is it just like UFOs 768 00:34:23,260 --> 00:34:21,260 like we see that they're there but we 769 00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:23,270 have no idea what they are is it I mean 770 00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,440 do you think it's the same way how do 771 00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,720 you how do you well approach it I think 772 00:34:30,430 --> 00:34:28,399 what you might be getting to what I 773 00:34:35,470 --> 00:34:30,440 think a lot of there's some hesitation 774 00:34:37,780 --> 00:34:35,480 with some of these I I don't want to 775 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:37,790 call well what would it calm genres 776 00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:40,610 they're not really industries studies 777 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:43,520 you've got cryptozoology right you got 778 00:34:47,950 --> 00:34:45,530 UFOs you got what people call the 779 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:47,960 paranormal but with the ghost stuff and 780 00:34:54,340 --> 00:34:50,570 I think there's a lot more crossover and 781 00:34:56,830 --> 00:34:54,350 I think that that you know what we 782 00:34:58,420 --> 00:34:56,840 finally realize what's going on you're 783 00:34:59,980 --> 00:34:58,430 you're seeing in the UFO field people 784 00:35:01,840 --> 00:34:59,990 are becoming more open to this 785 00:35:04,690 --> 00:35:01,850 interdimensional sort of a thing yeah 786 00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:04,700 and and so with the spirits and the 787 00:35:08,350 --> 00:35:06,710 ghosts I do think there is a other 788 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:08,360 dimension if you want to call it that 789 00:35:13,330 --> 00:35:10,250 where they're not they're not always 790 00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:13,340 visible to us but they're present and I 791 00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:14,510 don't know if they can always see us 792 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:17,480 just like we can't always see them but 793 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:20,090 they can kind of slip in and out right 794 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:22,310 and so they can physically manipulate 795 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:24,890 things and as crazy as that sounds 796 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:26,810 without having hard evidence of it it's 797 00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:29,330 like your story like I can only tell you 798 00:35:33,490 --> 00:35:31,550 what I've seen I can tell you I've seen 799 00:35:35,710 --> 00:35:33,500 objects fly across the room I can tell 800 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:35,720 you we've had equipment you know slammed 801 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:37,850 on the ground right in front of us you 802 00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:41,570 know I've seen you know shadow figures 803 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:44,720 walk right through a wall I've heard 804 00:35:49,060 --> 00:35:47,090 voices in my ear so you know how could 805 00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:49,070 these things be physically manipulating 806 00:35:54,670 --> 00:35:50,480 our world if it didn't have some 807 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:54,680 physicality to it yeah so I think that 808 00:35:57,310 --> 00:35:55,610 there is there is 809 00:36:01,780 --> 00:35:57,320 probably a connection there when we talk 810 00:36:03,460 --> 00:36:01,790 about UFOs and how these physical 811 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:03,470 objects are causing physical 812 00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:05,690 interactions with the ground with trace 813 00:36:12,220 --> 00:36:08,260 evidence but it's not always there and 814 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:12,230 therefore do we really need to even 815 00:36:15,850 --> 00:36:14,330 discuss how they got here from thousands 816 00:36:18,070 --> 00:36:15,860 of light-years away when we talk about 817 00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,080 interdimensional there's all sorts of 818 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:21,200 possibilities right right another thing 819 00:36:27,340 --> 00:36:24,050 you do is you do a lot with night vision 820 00:36:29,950 --> 00:36:27,350 and you know things like that so this 821 00:36:32,260 --> 00:36:29,960 question I want to ask you pertains to 822 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:32,270 this in a roundabout way and I've said a 823 00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,450 couple times on the show that we only 824 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:37,520 see a certain spectrum you know there's 825 00:36:44,410 --> 00:36:41,210 only and we only know so much of what is 826 00:36:46,590 --> 00:36:44,420 actually going around us on around us 827 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:46,600 and a lot of stuff we just can't 828 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:50,330 experience or see do you think that some 829 00:36:57,490 --> 00:36:53,330 of this has to do with with that another 830 00:37:00,700 --> 00:36:57,500 spectrum as well or possibility I do and 831 00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:00,710 I think that's that's why we eventually 832 00:37:06,370 --> 00:37:04,100 I think technology will capture you call 833 00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:06,380 it The Smoking Gun but I don't think 834 00:37:10,210 --> 00:37:07,910 technologies can convince people who 835 00:37:12,340 --> 00:37:10,220 don't want to be convinced but I do 836 00:37:14,140 --> 00:37:12,350 think that we're getting to the point 837 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:14,150 where we're able to start seeing into 838 00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:16,130 what we might call another dimension 839 00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:17,510 because our physical eyes can't see 840 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:19,430 there yet and so for example night 841 00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:21,530 vision sees a little bit into the 842 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:24,110 infrared but we also have cameras we use 843 00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:26,210 in ghost hunting that see into the 844 00:37:29,950 --> 00:37:26,960 ultraviolet 845 00:37:32,350 --> 00:37:29,960 there are full-spectrum cameras then we 846 00:37:34,450 --> 00:37:32,360 have the long wave infrared that sees 847 00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,460 heat signatures the thermal cameras and 848 00:37:40,210 --> 00:37:37,040 so when I do these sky watches I'm 849 00:37:41,890 --> 00:37:40,220 telling people look you you got your 850 00:37:43,390 --> 00:37:41,900 night vision that's great if you got the 851 00:37:45,250 --> 00:37:43,400 money you might want to look into 852 00:37:48,570 --> 00:37:45,260 thermal because I have filmed trained 853 00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:48,580 Euler objects silent triangle objects 854 00:37:54,130 --> 00:37:51,440 out in Utah actually and your skinwalker 855 00:37:55,630 --> 00:37:54,140 ranch they didn't show up didn't show up 856 00:37:59,260 --> 00:37:55,640 whether I couldn't see them my physical 857 00:38:00,880 --> 00:37:59,270 eyes but they're clearly there in the 858 00:38:04,540 --> 00:38:00,890 thermal camera so it's picking up a heat 859 00:38:06,970 --> 00:38:04,550 signature and so whatever technology is 860 00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:06,980 being used to cloak them were able to 861 00:38:13,630 --> 00:38:09,110 see with some of these cameras 862 00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:13,640 see their signatures well amazing the 863 00:38:18,940 --> 00:38:16,880 next guests I have coming on is just 864 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:18,950 before I did a sound check with him and 865 00:38:24,490 --> 00:38:21,650 so he'll be hunting up right after you 866 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:24,500 but he said he thinks you know a lot of 867 00:38:28,780 --> 00:38:26,690 UFOs are or ninety percent in their 868 00:38:31,420 --> 00:38:28,790 military and I said well I'm gonna argue 869 00:38:33,370 --> 00:38:31,430 with you about that and he says well he 870 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:33,380 goes I don't do debates but anyway I 871 00:38:37,540 --> 00:38:36,170 said well no we'll discuss it but you 872 00:38:39,820 --> 00:38:37,550 know there's a lot of people that do 873 00:38:42,460 --> 00:38:39,830 speculate that and a lot of people are 874 00:38:44,770 --> 00:38:42,470 saying you know with this tick tack you 875 00:38:47,290 --> 00:38:44,780 know in the Nimitz case there's 876 00:38:49,870 --> 00:38:47,300 speculation that that might be some type 877 00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:49,880 of military or secret government project 878 00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,160 or whatever but you know I still think 879 00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,040 and I think most people that really 880 00:39:00,610 --> 00:38:57,920 really look into it sort of agree or 881 00:39:03,370 --> 00:39:00,620 that there's just too many things going 882 00:39:05,290 --> 00:39:03,380 on with them to be even advanced 883 00:39:11,830 --> 00:39:05,300 technology you know I mean the things 884 00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:11,840 that they you know defy yeah yeah III 885 00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:13,820 tend to agree with that I mean the 886 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:15,110 things that I've live in Huntington 887 00:39:20,890 --> 00:39:16,850 Beach California and the object that I 888 00:39:24,370 --> 00:39:20,900 saw fly from the ocean over the high 889 00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,380 school running track where I was was 890 00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:26,560 completely silent a thousand feet and 891 00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:29,150 after I recovered from the whole shock 892 00:39:35,380 --> 00:39:33,200 of seeing this thing this triangle that 893 00:39:38,530 --> 00:39:35,390 didn't have any underside it was like 894 00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:38,540 transparent I thought okay well whose is 895 00:39:45,010 --> 00:39:41,390 it and I thought well if you are trying 896 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:45,020 to keep it a secret if it's ours you 897 00:39:48,910 --> 00:39:46,730 don't fly it over a heavily populated 898 00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,920 area unless you're trying to test the 899 00:39:54,130 --> 00:39:51,440 reactions yeah there's a theory about 900 00:39:55,630 --> 00:39:54,140 that yes yeah I've heard right that 901 00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:55,640 they're just so bras and now they're 902 00:39:58,980 --> 00:39:57,140 like hey we'll do what we want because 903 00:40:02,980 --> 00:39:58,990 no one believes it or you know the 904 00:40:06,130 --> 00:40:02,990 desensitization theory but I I'm not 905 00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:06,140 quite sure because the bottom line I 906 00:40:11,050 --> 00:40:07,760 guess probably what Alejandro talked 907 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:11,060 about a lot about Elizondo that to the 908 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:13,490 Stars Academy that shows on everything 909 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:16,370 coming out the bottom line for me what 910 00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:19,210 I'm learning from it is more and more I 911 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:22,470 don't think our government has a clue 912 00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:25,890 be honest yeah people that a long time 913 00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:27,720 listeners to the show have heard me say 914 00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:32,640 that many times and I think I totally 915 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:35,220 agree with you and you know I think 916 00:40:40,220 --> 00:40:37,530 they're just as puzzled as we are but I 917 00:40:42,980 --> 00:40:40,230 do believe that there's enough evidence 918 00:40:45,980 --> 00:40:42,990 out there to show that they've actually 919 00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:45,990 gathered you know say film clips and 920 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:47,940 things like that you know and kept them 921 00:40:53,540 --> 00:40:50,490 away from the public but I think you 922 00:40:56,030 --> 00:40:53,550 know there's definitely a fear on their 923 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:56,040 side if they can't you know protect us 924 00:40:59,780 --> 00:40:57,690 from whatever it is or they don't know 925 00:41:01,870 --> 00:40:59,790 what it is to say that you know there's 926 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:01,880 something invading our skies and we 927 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:04,530 don't know what it is they can't say 928 00:41:09,620 --> 00:41:07,530 that I mean I don't think that would fly 929 00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:09,630 too well so to speak it would it 930 00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:11,400 benefits them nothing and if you look at 931 00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,200 it is a exchange you know of knowledge 932 00:41:20,839 --> 00:41:18,240 and power that doesn't benefit them 933 00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:20,849 anything to give up their cards to show 934 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:22,980 they have nothing when they are like I 935 00:41:28,339 --> 00:41:25,530 wouldn't doubt if we you know maybe back 936 00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,349 engineered some of it and and we have 937 00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:30,720 some maybe workable models perhaps that 938 00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,480 we're starting to fly and experiment 939 00:41:38,990 --> 00:41:35,280 with but I don't think they have a 940 00:41:41,450 --> 00:41:39,000 handle on who is visiting and you know 941 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:41,460 at will they're just kind of coming and 942 00:41:48,140 --> 00:41:46,050 going so it's it's frustrating because 943 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:48,150 you would just rather them say okay we 944 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:50,010 get it you don't understand we already 945 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:51,930 don't trust the government like we used 946 00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,490 to you know just come out and tell us 947 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:54,960 let's just all get on the same playing 948 00:41:58,460 --> 00:41:55,410 field 949 00:42:01,130 --> 00:41:58,470 maybe maybe by doing that you have some 950 00:42:03,260 --> 00:42:01,140 of the brightest minds out there who you 951 00:42:05,180 --> 00:42:03,270 know could could jump in here and we 952 00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:05,190 could start gearing our universities and 953 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:07,500 and taking this information that we do 954 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:09,810 have and get everybody working on it I 955 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:13,410 mean III really think you're wasting 956 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:14,730 resources there when you 957 00:42:19,070 --> 00:42:16,770 compartmentalize things so drastically 958 00:42:20,780 --> 00:42:19,080 because you what can't trust people you 959 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:20,790 can't control the technology that comes 960 00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:23,730 out of it you know everyone we all live 961 00:42:30,220 --> 00:42:26,609 on this planet we are entitled to this 962 00:42:32,660 --> 00:42:30,230 information yeah yeah you know I do this 963 00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:32,670 at the beginning of every show I do an 964 00:42:38,029 --> 00:42:36,089 intro that has people talking over 965 00:42:40,699 --> 00:42:38,039 you know the music and one of them I 966 00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:40,709 think the very last clip in that is you 967 00:42:48,499 --> 00:42:43,140 actually talking about your grandfather 968 00:42:51,380 --> 00:42:48,509 and yeah so for I know you've told this 969 00:42:52,969 --> 00:42:51,390 on this show a few different times but 970 00:42:55,009 --> 00:42:52,979 if you wouldn't mind for the person 971 00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:55,019 that's never heard you talk before can 972 00:42:58,959 --> 00:42:56,099 you tell the story about your 973 00:43:02,779 --> 00:42:58,969 grandfather on your father I love that 974 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:02,789 so we have about five minutes just to 975 00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:04,890 let you know yeah okay sounds good so I 976 00:43:12,259 --> 00:43:09,089 grew up in in Utah primarily and my 977 00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:12,269 grandfather and my dad's father he 978 00:43:17,689 --> 00:43:14,819 worked at Hill Air Force Base he served 979 00:43:23,089 --> 00:43:17,699 in the Army in World War two and from 980 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:23,099 about 1950 to 1980 he worked at Hill Air 981 00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:28,170 Force Base as a civilian technician and 982 00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:34,680 engineer and about 1965 he came to my 983 00:43:40,189 --> 00:43:37,079 dad and and told him he said son I have 984 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:40,199 I've been called to be part of a special 985 00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:42,630 team and they could call me at a 986 00:43:48,979 --> 00:43:46,380 moment's notice and you he's 15 at the 987 00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:48,989 time he 1415 said you're in charge 988 00:43:53,929 --> 00:43:50,910 you know like you got to take care of 989 00:43:55,789 --> 00:43:53,939 mom and your sisters and he says well 990 00:43:57,049 --> 00:43:55,799 where you going it's like well I won't 991 00:44:00,130 --> 00:43:57,059 be able to tell you where I'm going or 992 00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:00,140 when I'm coming back and he says well 993 00:44:06,439 --> 00:44:03,089 okay is it like a nuclear war thing and 994 00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:06,449 they said yeah something like that so 995 00:44:11,709 --> 00:44:09,839 this summer of 1965 was the first time 996 00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:11,719 he got a call they took him the airport 997 00:44:17,449 --> 00:44:14,880 he takes off he comes back a couple 998 00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:17,459 weeks later so this went on and off for 999 00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,900 years 1000 00:44:23,059 --> 00:44:20,880 he knows specifically many times he was 1001 00:44:24,859 --> 00:44:23,069 called to wright-patterson Air Force so 1002 00:44:26,329 --> 00:44:24,869 for those who don't know that's the head 1003 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:26,339 of the foreign technology division in 1004 00:44:30,469 --> 00:44:28,170 the Air Force that's where the Roswell 1005 00:44:35,779 --> 00:44:30,479 debris we know a lot of it went there it 1006 00:44:37,699 --> 00:44:35,789 was head of Project Blue Book and so my 1007 00:44:39,499 --> 00:44:37,709 dad didn't really think much of it other 1008 00:44:41,329 --> 00:44:39,509 than the fact that he couldn't get a 1009 00:44:43,489 --> 00:44:41,339 hold of grandpa and he was working 1010 00:44:48,729 --> 00:44:43,499 underground we knew that his specialty 1011 00:44:49,970 --> 00:44:48,739 was hanger systems and fast forward to 1012 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:49,980 1994 1013 00:44:59,300 --> 00:44:54,810 it was 95 he had cancer and it spread to 1014 00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,310 his pancreas eventually to his brain and 1015 00:45:03,849 --> 00:45:02,160 in his final weeks and months my dad 1016 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:03,859 would go to the gym with him a lot and 1017 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:07,170 would they were watching unsolved 1018 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:08,250 mysteries they enjoyed doing that 1019 00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:10,290 together and he started questioning 1020 00:45:13,780 --> 00:45:11,940 because this is when Roswell stuff 1021 00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:13,790 started coming out and he said hey Dad 1022 00:45:18,980 --> 00:45:16,380 like you were there do you know this guy 1023 00:45:21,340 --> 00:45:18,990 Philip Corso claims to this all seeing 1024 00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:21,350 this an that do you know about this and 1025 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:23,640 grandpa would just kind of sit there and 1026 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:25,650 he would say hmm that's interesting 1027 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:27,570 and there's some things you'd say oh 1028 00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:30,570 that's completely ridiculous well one 1029 00:45:36,349 --> 00:45:32,760 day they're at the gym and he says dad I 1030 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:36,359 have to know he's like I know you're 1031 00:45:40,340 --> 00:45:38,130 getting on in years I don't how I'm 1032 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:40,350 gonna be here Ben and I really are into 1033 00:45:45,859 --> 00:45:43,010 this subject I need to know are we alone 1034 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:45,869 he got up out of the gym and he looked 1035 00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:48,450 at me said it's time to leave he stormed 1036 00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:49,590 off how much time we got like two 1037 00:45:58,340 --> 00:45:54,960 minutes one minute and he walked walked 1038 00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:58,350 away and he knew that he had hit a 1039 00:46:01,940 --> 00:46:00,180 subject that he didn't want to talk 1040 00:46:04,990 --> 00:46:01,950 about and so it wasn't brought up again 1041 00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,000 really until he was on his deathbed and 1042 00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:07,200 he's there in hospital and I was 1043 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:09,960 supposed to go meet him there and I was 1044 00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,570 I was on a date and when I got down my 1045 00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:14,880 date I called him up and he said grandpa 1046 00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:16,920 your your grandpa passed away already 1047 00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:20,070 and I was really sad that I wasn't there 1048 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:22,710 but years later he said the final 1049 00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:26,850 moments he was holding my hand and he 1050 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:28,859 turned to me and he said son I know what 1051 00:46:33,830 --> 00:46:31,530 you've been asking me and he said I want 1052 00:46:36,859 --> 00:46:33,840 you to know not to be afraid but we're 1053 00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,869 not alone and he knew he wasn't talking 1054 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:38,640 about ghosts he wasn't talking about the 1055 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:41,850 afterlife he said take care of your 1056 00:46:47,540 --> 00:46:45,090 mother it's gonna be okay you know and 1057 00:46:49,580 --> 00:46:47,550 so we kind of been on this journey 1058 00:46:51,950 --> 00:46:49,590 because we wanted to know what grandpa 1059 00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:51,960 knew and did he leave us clues and what 1060 00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:55,619 did he see you know whatever work he was 1061 00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,290 involved with Wow so I love that you 1062 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:00,240 know I've heard the story a number of 1063 00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:02,490 times I love hearing it every time it's 1064 00:47:06,980 --> 00:47:04,020 a great it's a great one 1065 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:06,990 I believe didn't you say that during the 1066 00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:10,890 Kecksburg he may have been gone - yeah 1067 00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:14,040 we actually I believe was August I don't 1068 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:16,020 know his December Kecksburg is December 1069 00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:19,770 of I want to say a 65 I'm bad anyways we 1070 00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:23,160 traced it to that exact weekend yeah he 1071 00:47:28,070 --> 00:47:25,619 went disappearing how about that yeah 1072 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:28,080 and we know that expert debris there 1073 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:29,490 were witnesses that said they brought it 1074 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:30,930 to wright-patterson through the back 1075 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:34,050 gate and suddenly grandpa the next you 1076 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:35,610 know day he's got a call he's got to 1077 00:47:41,930 --> 00:47:38,850 leave to wright-patterson ya know yeah 1078 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:41,940 great stuff alright then so we're we're 1079 00:47:47,180 --> 00:47:44,850 ready to sign off here for the break and 1080 00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,190 well that will be saying goodbye to you 1081 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:50,160 and bringing on our new guests so if you 1082 00:47:54,590 --> 00:47:52,650 would please let everyone know that the 1083 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:54,600 show and no it's already premiered it 1084 00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:56,930 premiered out a few weeks ago I guess 1085 00:48:02,570 --> 00:48:00,240 but can you let can you let everyone 1086 00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:02,580 know when winners like to catch that 1087 00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:04,980 it's ghosts of Morgan City it's on 1088 00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:08,400 Travel Channel and episode 4 is coming 1089 00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:11,609 up this Friday we have 8 episodes it's 9 1090 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:14,280 p.m. 8 p.m. Central Travel Channel you 1091 00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,450 can also watch it on the Travel Channel 1092 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:18,420 go app I think it's what it's called and 1093 00:48:21,830 --> 00:48:20,010 they're streaming streaming on there if 1094 00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,840 you want to tune in later but it's a lot 1095 00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:23,280 of fun and and thanks for having me on 1096 00:48:27,830 --> 00:48:25,230 excellent alright always great to talk 1097 00:48:30,380 --> 00:48:27,840 to you Ben you too thanks Martin alright 1098 00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:30,390 take care alright everyone so hang in 1099 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:33,720 we'll be right back back and you can see 1100 00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:35,850 my guest right here with me now is 1101 00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:39,200 Walter Bosley welcome to the show Walter 1102 00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:41,160 thanks for having me on Martin I'm 1103 00:48:47,230 --> 00:48:42,990 looking forward to our talk yes and 1104 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:47,240 you're in Southern California and it's 1105 00:48:51,590 --> 00:48:49,290 probably pretty hot out there right now 1106 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:51,600 you had a well you had a little shake 1107 00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:53,490 shake going on there a couple days ago 1108 00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:56,280 right yeah which is characteristic of 1109 00:49:00,349 --> 00:48:57,450 this kind of weather 1110 00:49:03,170 --> 00:49:00,359 when traditionally when we have long 1111 00:49:05,570 --> 00:49:03,180 stretches of dry hot weather we get into 1112 00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:05,580 earthquakes but we haven't had the 1113 00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:07,710 because we've had pretty much a cool wet 1114 00:49:12,109 --> 00:49:09,720 year ëthey through most of this year 1115 00:49:14,810 --> 00:49:12,119 until we hit the summer and the heat has 1116 00:49:16,940 --> 00:49:14,820 come back engine stand brought that the 1117 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:16,950 earthquakes so yeah it's it's kind of a 1118 00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:18,450 scorcher outside today 1119 00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:21,180 yeah yeah the one thing I think is it 1120 00:49:24,740 --> 00:49:22,980 seems like it's getting worse out there 1121 00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:24,750 you know I might be totally wrong about 1122 00:49:31,220 --> 00:49:28,140 it is of the fires that are happening 1123 00:49:33,980 --> 00:49:31,230 out there just terrible and it you know 1124 00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:33,990 I mean it just seems like it gets worse 1125 00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:36,750 every year maybe I'm wrong right well 1126 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:39,780 yeah when when we do get hit with the 1127 00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:42,170 fires they seem to be a particularly 1128 00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:45,000 breed of nasty about them and that's 1129 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:47,640 because we had droughts we had these 1130 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:49,530 spells of drought that's right long that 1131 00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:52,730 there was so much dry but then you know 1132 00:49:57,500 --> 00:49:55,680 the fireworks for instance private 1133 00:49:59,230 --> 00:49:57,510 fireworks are illegal in my community 1134 00:50:01,250 --> 00:49:59,240 because of this and there's a lot of 1135 00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:01,260 communities in Southern California where 1136 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:02,700 they're illegal and you know 1137 00:50:07,309 --> 00:50:05,250 unfortunately you get those usually 1138 00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:07,319 those young dads who want to show up to 1139 00:50:10,460 --> 00:50:09,060 the kids and yeah they are popping those 1140 00:50:12,109 --> 00:50:10,470 things off and everybody just kind of 1141 00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,119 holds their fingers you know crosses 1142 00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:14,400 their fingers that it won't start a fire 1143 00:50:17,630 --> 00:50:17,369 mm-hmm so yeah it is it is dangerous out 1144 00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:17,640 here 1145 00:50:22,370 --> 00:50:20,760 yeah yeah I was I was in Northern 1146 00:50:25,220 --> 00:50:22,380 California I told you I've lived there 1147 00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:25,230 for nine years and it was very dry very 1148 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:27,240 dry summer and we had the most unusual 1149 00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:29,130 thing and never happens all of a sudden 1150 00:50:31,970 --> 00:50:30,569 there was a thunderstorm that never 1151 00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:31,980 happens there in the middle of the 1152 00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:34,200 summer and I actually physically washed 1153 00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:36,089 a lightning bolt go down and hit the 1154 00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:38,609 hill and a fire you could see the fire 1155 00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:41,040 start immediately Wow just right in 1156 00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:42,540 front of my eyes it was really amazing 1157 00:50:50,059 --> 00:50:46,500 that gives your attention yeah so for 1158 00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:50,069 the person who has never heard of you 1159 00:50:54,020 --> 00:50:51,900 seen you before I know you're you've got 1160 00:50:56,329 --> 00:50:54,030 a lot going on you wrote a book too we 1161 00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:56,339 can talk about that but please give us 1162 00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:57,900 your background and what gets you 1163 00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:00,319 interested in this sort of off topic as 1164 00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,400 some people might call it well I grew up 1165 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:06,960 interested in these weird things 1166 00:51:14,180 --> 00:51:11,130 of course UFOs were among the first 1167 00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:14,190 Early's interests from the time I was a 1168 00:51:18,829 --> 00:51:16,380 kid you know found it fascinating and 1169 00:51:21,050 --> 00:51:18,839 along with you know spooky stories of 1170 00:51:22,819 --> 00:51:21,060 the paranormal and such like that grew 1171 00:51:28,030 --> 00:51:22,829 up a big fan of horror films my dad 1172 00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:28,040 raised me on those things and you know 1173 00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,510 started having everybody has their weird 1174 00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:31,920 experiences mine 1175 00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:34,710 really kicked in at around 16 years old 1176 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:39,599 and I started my professional career in 1177 00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,010 the late 80s with the FBI and even with 1178 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:46,319 my weird interests I made it through the 1179 00:51:49,609 --> 00:51:48,210 background and got hired well I learned 1180 00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:49,619 that there's a lot of other people with 1181 00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:51,270 the same weird interest in national 1182 00:51:56,900 --> 00:51:53,569 security so I was with the FBI as a 1183 00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:56,910 counterintelligence operative for a few 1184 00:52:02,030 --> 00:52:00,000 years almost 6 and then I earned my 1185 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:02,040 Commission in the Air Force and spent 1186 00:52:07,370 --> 00:52:04,170 all my active-duty time as a special 1187 00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:07,380 agent of the Air Force OSI for about six 1188 00:52:14,329 --> 00:52:09,920 years and then after that I went into 1189 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:14,339 counterterrorism stuff working globally 1190 00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:18,690 all around the world and through all of 1191 00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:22,440 this I still maintain my interests and 1192 00:52:26,839 --> 00:52:24,540 you know did my personal study and 1193 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:26,849 research on on weird things and after 1194 00:52:30,530 --> 00:52:28,770 leaving counterterrorism I had started a 1195 00:52:31,819 --> 00:52:30,540 publishing company a few years before 1196 00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:31,829 that but after leaving the 1197 00:52:36,650 --> 00:52:33,960 counterterrorism work I devoted myself 1198 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:36,660 to writing and I just earlier this year 1199 00:52:43,069 --> 00:52:38,690 finished and published my tenth 1200 00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:43,079 nonfiction book Wow so and yeah they 1201 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:45,510 cover a gamut of things from kind of 1202 00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:48,210 alternative archaeology to occult murder 1203 00:52:53,780 --> 00:52:52,260 and the esoteric engineering of 1204 00:52:56,660 --> 00:52:53,790 Disneyland which was my first 1205 00:52:58,250 --> 00:52:56,670 non-fiction book and a book about my 1206 00:53:01,640 --> 00:52:58,260 dad's weird experiences in the Air Force 1207 00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:01,650 and secret space program breakaway 1208 00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:04,049 civilization stuff so they you know kind 1209 00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:08,160 of a an interesting gamut of subjects 1210 00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:10,200 that actually have threads that tie them 1211 00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:12,270 together in many ways Wow wow that's 1212 00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:14,220 interesting I do want to ask you more 1213 00:53:18,260 --> 00:53:16,440 about your dad's Air Force experience in 1214 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:18,270 a minute but I think this is kind of 1215 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:19,890 ironic because I didn't know about your 1216 00:53:25,660 --> 00:53:22,290 FBI experience and you're the second 1217 00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:25,670 guest tonight that is former FBI and 1218 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:27,960 Southern California Ben Hanson as well 1219 00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:31,890 so yeah that is ironic and and pretty 1220 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:33,960 amazing so along those lines you know 1221 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:35,490 I've talked to Ben many times about this 1222 00:53:41,660 --> 00:53:38,970 that you know the background his FBI 1223 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:41,670 background really you know gives him an 1224 00:53:46,750 --> 00:53:44,570 edge and actually you know 1225 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:46,760 you sounds like you agree already oh 1226 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:50,690 absolutely because now I recall Ben's a 1227 00:53:56,260 --> 00:53:53,090 former agent right he was the yeah one 1228 00:54:00,850 --> 00:53:56,270 of the specialists on was it UFO Hunters 1229 00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:00,860 oh yes he was on he was on fact and fact 1230 00:54:05,260 --> 00:54:03,440 or faked yes that's what it was yeah 1231 00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:05,270 perfect I remember I remember he was on 1232 00:54:08,860 --> 00:54:07,280 there and absolutely you know his 1233 00:54:10,450 --> 00:54:08,870 experience as an agent there my 1234 00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:10,460 experience as an agent you know that I 1235 00:54:17,020 --> 00:54:13,130 had you know you learned the basics of 1236 00:54:19,330 --> 00:54:17,030 real practical real-world investigating 1237 00:54:23,230 --> 00:54:19,340 you know investigations and you can 1238 00:54:26,170 --> 00:54:23,240 apply that again these subjects very 1239 00:54:28,930 --> 00:54:26,180 well yeah I think so yeah definitely 1240 00:54:32,620 --> 00:54:28,940 it's a it's a good skill right right one 1241 00:54:34,990 --> 00:54:32,630 of his skills was actually watching body 1242 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:35,000 language and you know trying to you know 1243 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:37,130 during interviews to see if people are 1244 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:38,690 telling the truth and he's done a lot of 1245 00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:40,610 a video analysis of that that's pretty 1246 00:54:44,350 --> 00:54:42,710 fascinating especially when it comes to 1247 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:44,360 former presidents he's done a few of 1248 00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:46,850 those too oh yeah yeah absolutely that's 1249 00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:49,430 that's interesting to see that analysis 1250 00:54:53,650 --> 00:54:50,960 when they're talking about that's that's 1251 00:54:56,650 --> 00:54:53,660 right yeah he told me he spent 40 hours 1252 00:55:00,310 --> 00:54:56,660 on I think it was an eight-minute clip 1253 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:00,320 of Obama on Jimmy Kimmel when it came to 1254 00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:02,570 close he spent that much time trying to 1255 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:06,770 analyze that which is fascinating so you 1256 00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,770 you said you had your experience at 16 1257 00:55:17,310 --> 00:55:12,400 can you go into that what what happened 1258 00:55:22,660 --> 00:55:17,320 well that was that was in the realm of a 1259 00:55:26,860 --> 00:55:22,670 personal illumination awakening kind of 1260 00:55:32,370 --> 00:55:26,870 thing hmm I simply woke up one Sunday 1261 00:55:39,970 --> 00:55:35,410 looked at my hands and my thought was 1262 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:39,980 these are not my hands um you know I'm 1263 00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:41,690 looking around out now I want to know 1264 00:55:44,620 --> 00:55:42,110 something 1265 00:55:46,420 --> 00:55:44,630 I'm the quintessential nerd okay I'm 1266 00:55:48,580 --> 00:55:46,430 probably one of four people you know 1267 00:55:52,540 --> 00:55:48,590 who's never even taken a puff of weed 1268 00:55:54,910 --> 00:55:52,550 all right much less any recreational 1269 00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:54,920 drug so no I was not you know a 1270 00:55:58,089 --> 00:55:57,170 recreational drug user I was I was quite 1271 00:56:00,190 --> 00:55:58,099 the nerd that 1272 00:56:02,380 --> 00:56:00,200 or whatever you know yeah and so that 1273 00:56:04,089 --> 00:56:02,390 was not in the equation here this was 1274 00:56:08,499 --> 00:56:04,099 all an organic thing coming from the 1275 00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:08,509 psyche and that opened up a period in my 1276 00:56:16,539 --> 00:56:13,369 life where all manner of things kind of 1277 00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:16,549 came to the forefront and were I noticed 1278 00:56:24,670 --> 00:56:20,569 things more intensely be it what I would 1279 00:56:28,359 --> 00:56:24,680 later learn were synchronicities - you 1280 00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:28,369 know sensing presences just kind of a 1281 00:56:35,859 --> 00:56:31,670 grab bag of weird psychic things and 1282 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:35,869 experiences which I did not begin to 1283 00:56:43,089 --> 00:56:39,650 understand really until my mentor 1284 00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:43,099 started working with me and I found out 1285 00:56:47,979 --> 00:56:45,680 that he was you know kind of learned in 1286 00:56:50,650 --> 00:56:47,989 these things and he you know would talk 1287 00:56:53,739 --> 00:56:50,660 with me about them and just kind of help 1288 00:56:56,609 --> 00:56:53,749 me develop my understanding so he 1289 00:57:01,870 --> 00:56:56,619 basically had an open mind as what I'm 1290 00:57:05,529 --> 00:57:01,880 he let me yes no no no he mentor yes oh 1291 00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:05,539 yes my mentor my mentor was the first 1292 00:57:13,630 --> 00:57:09,049 person to tell me about what we now know 1293 00:57:15,579 --> 00:57:13,640 as remote viewing in 1986 hmm and he 1294 00:57:18,279 --> 00:57:15,589 took me outside one day we had to go out 1295 00:57:20,469 --> 00:57:18,289 to his van to get something that there's 1296 00:57:22,209 --> 00:57:20,479 some file that he needed out of it he's 1297 00:57:24,370 --> 00:57:22,219 an uncle of mine he's mine one of my 1298 00:57:25,509 --> 00:57:24,380 mom's older brothers so we walk outside 1299 00:57:28,209 --> 00:57:25,519 and we're standing there on the sidewalk 1300 00:57:29,410 --> 00:57:28,219 and he points up to a hill the foothills 1301 00:57:32,289 --> 00:57:29,420 here the San Marino mountains and he 1302 00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,299 says see that hill up there one of these 1303 00:57:37,569 --> 00:57:34,400 days you'll be taught you'll be trained 1304 00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:37,579 how to be standing down here on the 1305 00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:39,920 street and throw your mind your 1306 00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:42,319 consciousness up on top of that hill and 1307 00:57:48,130 --> 00:57:45,529 tell your team what's up there real time 1308 00:57:50,140 --> 00:57:48,140 as you see it you know and you know it's 1309 00:57:52,839 --> 00:57:50,150 1986 I'm a young guy right out of 1310 00:57:54,910 --> 00:57:52,849 college and this is this is some really 1311 00:57:57,579 --> 00:57:54,920 wild stuff and I'm just a rapt audience 1312 00:58:00,339 --> 00:57:57,589 yeah listen to this thinking wow that's 1313 00:58:02,259 --> 00:58:00,349 pretty cool and ten years later you know 1314 00:58:04,450 --> 00:58:02,269 by then I was in the Air Force I was an 1315 00:58:06,339 --> 00:58:04,460 agent and I was deployed to Saudi Arabia 1316 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:06,349 and I'm looking at one of the first 1317 00:58:11,380 --> 00:58:08,930 books about remote viewing huh and I'm 1318 00:58:12,070 --> 00:58:11,390 looking at this and I'm thinking this is 1319 00:58:15,220 --> 00:58:12,080 the stuff he 1320 00:58:17,110 --> 00:58:15,230 told me about ten years ago and to tell 1321 00:58:19,810 --> 00:58:17,120 the rest of the story 1322 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:19,820 he retired in the late 90s around 99 1323 00:58:25,420 --> 00:58:23,090 2000 with 44 years in the intelligence 1324 00:58:26,350 --> 00:58:25,430 community he had started out in Army 1325 00:58:28,060 --> 00:58:26,360 Special Forces 1326 00:58:30,730 --> 00:58:28,070 he was hundred and first Airborne than 1327 00:58:33,820 --> 00:58:30,740 Special Forces and then was brought into 1328 00:58:37,530 --> 00:58:33,830 the intelligence world and he was my 1329 00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:37,540 professional mentor as well as my 1330 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:40,160 esoteric spiritual mentor he's the one 1331 00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,650 that kind of guided me on my national 1332 00:58:46,420 --> 00:58:44,960 security career and opened doors for me 1333 00:58:48,850 --> 00:58:46,430 and stuff like that so it's an 1334 00:58:52,750 --> 00:58:48,860 interesting combination that Wow yeah 1335 00:58:55,630 --> 00:58:52,760 yeah that's amazing and was he pretty 1336 00:58:57,850 --> 00:58:55,640 did he pretty much share with you a lot 1337 00:59:01,960 --> 00:58:57,860 of things that he discovered along the 1338 00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:01,970 way you know when he talked about remote 1339 00:59:08,830 --> 00:59:04,910 viewing was he actually in that program 1340 00:59:10,810 --> 00:59:08,840 or just knew about it well I as the 1341 00:59:13,210 --> 00:59:10,820 years progressed and I got into my own 1342 00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:13,220 career and you know positions you 1343 00:59:19,330 --> 00:59:14,960 acquired security clearances and stuff 1344 00:59:22,530 --> 00:59:19,340 and I got my own I learned that the 1345 00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:22,540 capacity in which he worked would have 1346 00:59:31,150 --> 00:59:28,880 put him in AI what's the word kind of 1347 00:59:35,050 --> 00:59:31,160 the sphere of awareness of that program 1348 00:59:38,620 --> 00:59:35,060 going on because they would have used 1349 00:59:39,970 --> 00:59:38,630 the remote viewing unit they would have 1350 00:59:41,650 --> 00:59:39,980 been a customer of the remote viewing 1351 00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,660 unit as it were right they would have 1352 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:43,280 gone to these guys and said hey we need 1353 00:59:48,610 --> 00:59:45,410 to know this we need to know that so 1354 00:59:52,810 --> 00:59:48,620 yeah he would've he would have known 1355 00:59:54,510 --> 00:59:52,820 about it wow that's amazing yeah and you 1356 00:59:58,060 --> 00:59:54,520 know for all those different programs 1357 00:59:59,650 --> 00:59:58,070 there was there was all different types 1358 01:00:03,550 --> 00:59:59,660 of things they were exploring you know 1359 01:00:07,420 --> 01:00:03,560 in that whole realm and I know one of 1360 01:00:11,140 --> 01:00:07,430 them was actually I think drugs LSD - 1361 01:00:13,830 --> 01:00:11,150 was that involved in that whole well I 1362 01:00:17,410 --> 01:00:13,840 know that drugs you know there's 1363 01:00:19,330 --> 01:00:17,420 psychotronic psychotropic drugs and LSD 1364 01:00:21,790 --> 01:00:19,340 and such Lucinda genex were used in 1365 01:00:23,830 --> 01:00:21,800 MKULTRA oh that's what I'm making yeah 1366 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:23,840 yeah yeah I don't think they were used 1367 01:00:30,819 --> 01:00:25,970 in remote viewing I'm sure somebody out 1368 01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,829 they're as combined yeah yeah no I I 1369 01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:32,480 wasn't thinking about combining I was 1370 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:33,680 just thinking about all the different 1371 01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:36,650 things they were involved in you know 1372 01:00:41,890 --> 01:00:39,050 that is just hard to believe that they 1373 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:41,900 were experimenting in so many so many 1374 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:45,410 different things so as as far as the 1375 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:47,690 UFOs go have you it personally ever had 1376 01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:50,930 a sighting yourself mm-hmm in December 1377 01:00:59,170 --> 01:00:52,569 of 2014 1378 01:01:01,569 --> 01:00:59,180 well let's hear logically oh my one of 1379 01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:01,579 my kids lives here at the house and her 1380 01:01:06,250 --> 01:01:04,160 boyfriend lives with us four days of the 1381 01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:06,260 week he's a he's a chef he manages a 1382 01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:10,310 restaurant out in another town so he 1383 01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,040 comes in half the week and he was coming 1384 01:01:17,770 --> 01:01:16,160 in late at night from work and came to 1385 01:01:19,210 --> 01:01:17,780 the house he said Walter come in come 1386 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:19,220 out here and look at this thing over the 1387 01:01:24,220 --> 01:01:22,970 house so you know I he's into UFOs and 1388 01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:24,230 I'm thinking okay I'm gonna go out there 1389 01:01:28,089 --> 01:01:25,280 I'm gonna see you know a little 1390 01:01:31,089 --> 01:01:28,099 satellite flipping way up high so I come 1391 01:01:35,380 --> 01:01:31,099 out turn and I look up and my jaw drops 1392 01:01:37,150 --> 01:01:35,390 and my oh I I can't say what I said but 1393 01:01:40,359 --> 01:01:37,160 it's like all the man 1394 01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:40,369 so I ran I said you stay here I ran in 1395 01:01:44,849 --> 01:01:43,280 the house got my camera came out with 1396 01:01:48,790 --> 01:01:44,859 the camera the thing was still there and 1397 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:48,800 I started filming it now what we saw was 1398 01:01:56,770 --> 01:01:55,130 maybe 70 feet above the house it was 1399 01:02:00,760 --> 01:01:56,780 kind of in an area where it was between 1400 01:02:02,740 --> 01:02:00,770 my house and my neighbor's house and the 1401 01:02:05,530 --> 01:02:02,750 the night was interesting it was one of 1402 01:02:08,349 --> 01:02:05,540 those kind of low overcast nights where 1403 01:02:10,329 --> 01:02:08,359 you were clear up to the the low ceiling 1404 01:02:12,730 --> 01:02:10,339 of the autumn of the clouds there the 1405 01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:12,740 mist and this thing was a boat was a 1406 01:02:16,780 --> 01:02:14,930 below that so that was probably about 1407 01:02:18,819 --> 01:02:16,790 maybe 90 feet 1408 01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:18,829 you know the ceiling of that this thing 1409 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:20,480 was below that and it was just staying 1410 01:02:27,490 --> 01:02:22,130 in one place okay 1411 01:02:31,930 --> 01:02:27,500 and there was a rotating luminescence 1412 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:31,940 inside okay some source of dynamic light 1413 01:02:39,820 --> 01:02:37,970 that was rotating the light provided the 1414 01:02:41,530 --> 01:02:39,830 shape the visible shape 1415 01:02:44,140 --> 01:02:41,540 and that was something it was flat 1416 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:44,150 bottom underneath the where you could 1417 01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:46,130 see the illumination coming up and a 1418 01:02:52,660 --> 01:02:49,520 dome shape covering like like almost 1419 01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:52,670 there was a half dome or half spherical 1420 01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:55,280 kind of cover right clear cover or 1421 01:03:01,840 --> 01:02:57,410 whatever over whatever this luminescence 1422 01:03:03,700 --> 01:03:01,850 was and it stayed there long enough for 1423 01:03:06,850 --> 01:03:03,710 me to get a couple of seconds on the 1424 01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:06,860 camera trigger there and then it started 1425 01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:10,400 moving not erratically not like it was 1426 01:03:16,450 --> 01:03:13,610 the wind carrying it but very smoothly 1427 01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:16,460 very lateral like that like it was under 1428 01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:18,890 some type of control and it moved slowly 1429 01:03:27,790 --> 01:03:22,160 and then it started dumping over the 1430 01:03:30,610 --> 01:03:27,800 side this molten substance really it was 1431 01:03:32,980 --> 01:03:30,620 just almost yea white-hot just burning 1432 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:32,990 white hot and it you know it did a 1433 01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,410 couple of heavy dumps of this stuff you 1434 01:03:40,540 --> 01:03:38,240 know a couple of lighter dips and then 1435 01:03:42,910 --> 01:03:40,550 it you know continued moving and then it 1436 01:03:45,790 --> 01:03:42,920 eventually kind of got lost in the 1437 01:03:48,820 --> 01:03:45,800 overcast and disappeared into the the 1438 01:03:52,450 --> 01:03:48,830 mist and the fog and he told me that 1439 01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:52,460 when he was driving from the freeway the 1440 01:03:58,750 --> 01:03:54,290 freeway exit to our house is almost 1441 01:04:00,250 --> 01:03:58,760 exactly a mile and he he got off the 1442 01:04:02,530 --> 01:04:00,260 freeway and as he was on the road 1443 01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:02,540 heading you know the remaining probably 1444 01:04:07,090 --> 01:04:04,610 three-quarters of a mile to the house he 1445 01:04:11,710 --> 01:04:07,100 saw this thing moving essentially from 1446 01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:11,720 the northwest of our location in a south 1447 01:04:17,950 --> 01:04:16,160 eastern trajectory and it was ahead of 1448 01:04:21,220 --> 01:04:17,960 him as he was getting the house and then 1449 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:21,230 he saw it stop above the house and he 1450 01:04:23,980 --> 01:04:22,610 thought wow that looks like it's right 1451 01:04:25,780 --> 01:04:23,990 over our street and as he got close to 1452 01:04:27,070 --> 01:04:25,790 the house he realized holy smokes these 1453 01:04:29,140 --> 01:04:27,080 things you know right there over the 1454 01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:29,150 house and that's when he came in to get 1455 01:04:33,460 --> 01:04:31,970 me Wow and you know you know the rest of 1456 01:04:38,830 --> 01:04:33,470 the story now what's really interesting 1457 01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:38,840 is the video and the still images all 1458 01:04:44,260 --> 01:04:42,110 you see is a little is a light and when 1459 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:44,270 you see it dumping the stuff and it's 1460 01:04:48,310 --> 01:04:46,010 just like you know just you know little 1461 01:04:50,610 --> 01:04:48,320 little it's like lights that you can't 1462 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:50,620 quite get in focus yeah and of course 1463 01:04:55,570 --> 01:04:53,570 you know leave it to the cameras 1464 01:05:00,820 --> 01:04:55,580 these days it looks farther away than it 1465 01:05:02,980 --> 01:05:00,830 was er I and we both I said okay you 1466 01:05:04,330 --> 01:05:02,990 know describe this thing to me what are 1467 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:04,340 you seeing before I say anything because 1468 01:05:07,150 --> 01:05:05,690 I want to make sure he was seeing the 1469 01:05:09,910 --> 01:05:07,160 same thing I was seeing because there's 1470 01:05:11,230 --> 01:05:09,920 been instances of you know two people 1471 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:11,240 can look at something and maybe they're 1472 01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:13,810 seeing different things and the bit with 1473 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:15,920 you know what it looks like in the 1474 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:18,170 stills and in the film doesn't look like 1475 01:05:23,860 --> 01:05:21,770 what we saw with all the detail so that 1476 01:05:28,930 --> 01:05:23,870 was you know it was about 11:30 at night 1477 01:05:32,890 --> 01:05:28,940 and you know that's it that I didn't 1478 01:05:35,260 --> 01:05:32,900 talk about it for my gosh three years I 1479 01:05:38,790 --> 01:05:35,270 didn't talk about it with billing 1480 01:05:41,470 --> 01:05:38,800 anybody except close friends yeah and 1481 01:05:45,420 --> 01:05:41,480 there is that's a good one 1482 01:05:49,030 --> 01:05:45,430 also you you're probably aware of 1483 01:05:51,370 --> 01:05:49,040 Charles halts you know talking about 1484 01:05:54,070 --> 01:05:51,380 that in the Rendlesham forest about that 1485 01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:54,080 I shaped you know look like an eyeball 1486 01:05:57,460 --> 01:05:55,970 sort of bouncing through the woods 1487 01:06:01,600 --> 01:05:57,470 between the trees and then it started 1488 01:06:03,340 --> 01:06:01,610 dripping the molten liquid from it which 1489 01:06:05,530 --> 01:06:03,350 is really fascinating and I asked some 1490 01:06:06,940 --> 01:06:05,540 you know did he actually try to find any 1491 01:06:08,290 --> 01:06:06,950 of that and they did they tried to find 1492 01:06:10,810 --> 01:06:08,300 it but they couldn't find anything 1493 01:06:16,620 --> 01:06:10,820 how about what I found yeah what I found 1494 01:06:20,350 --> 01:06:16,630 the next day was a like a charcoal II 1495 01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:20,360 substance that was so light that it 1496 01:06:24,940 --> 01:06:21,920 pretty much virtually disintegrated 1497 01:06:28,750 --> 01:06:24,950 after I was you know I handled it with a 1498 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:28,760 object and you know as I was examining 1499 01:06:32,260 --> 01:06:30,770 it it didn't last very long at all that 1500 01:06:35,590 --> 01:06:32,270 was in the yard and then I found this 1501 01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:35,600 stuff a couple more samples of it as I 1502 01:06:41,350 --> 01:06:37,760 followed the trajectory of it through my 1503 01:06:43,060 --> 01:06:41,360 neighborhood and it was interesting yeah 1504 01:06:47,220 --> 01:06:43,070 very interesting I tried to save some of 1505 01:06:50,170 --> 01:06:47,230 it but it just dissipated or yeah yeah 1506 01:06:53,110 --> 01:06:50,180 and why did you why did it take three 1507 01:06:55,860 --> 01:06:53,120 years for you to talk about it well with 1508 01:07:00,450 --> 01:06:55,870 century also have an interest in there 1509 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:00,460 because number one I do not think well 1510 01:07:07,390 --> 01:07:05,450 one of the reasons I don't think it was 1511 01:07:14,019 --> 01:07:07,400 I do not believe at all that 1512 01:07:16,809 --> 01:07:14,029 was extraterrestrial related m'l because 1513 01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:16,819 I live you can see the form of Norton 1514 01:07:22,329 --> 01:07:19,930 Air Force Base from where I live and 1515 01:07:23,740 --> 01:07:22,339 that's another discussion but I'm pretty 1516 01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:23,750 sure there's probably still some type of 1517 01:07:27,069 --> 01:07:25,490 military presence there it would make 1518 01:07:29,980 --> 01:07:27,079 sense to me coming from my perspective 1519 01:07:33,700 --> 01:07:29,990 being an Air Force officer no on site 1520 01:07:35,019 --> 01:07:33,710 for Mossad agent so there is the 1521 01:07:36,940 --> 01:07:35,029 possibility that it could have been 1522 01:07:40,779 --> 01:07:36,950 something related to the Air Force Base 1523 01:07:44,380 --> 01:07:40,789 I have to throw that out there but the 1524 01:07:50,650 --> 01:07:44,390 rest of it with my analysis appeared to 1525 01:07:54,579 --> 01:07:50,660 be enough of a personally relatable 1526 01:07:58,500 --> 01:07:54,589 thing even with the witness there with 1527 01:08:03,569 --> 01:07:58,510 me that I just didn't feel compelled to 1528 01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:03,579 to really talk about it publicly mm-hmm 1529 01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:07,369 so sure I can adjust it took it took me 1530 01:08:12,099 --> 01:08:09,200 a while to really get comfortable with 1531 01:08:13,980 --> 01:08:12,109 with talking about it well you know I'm 1532 01:08:16,809 --> 01:08:13,990 exactly the same way I had a sighting in 1533 01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:16,819 2006 and I didn't talk about it you know 1534 01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:20,239 I mean I talked about it on a comedy 1535 01:08:24,490 --> 01:08:23,359 show and basically it spawned the idea 1536 01:08:28,059 --> 01:08:24,500 of this show it's kind of a long story 1537 01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:28,069 but uh that's that's how that all all 1538 01:08:31,599 --> 01:08:29,330 happened I hadn't talked about you know 1539 01:08:33,939 --> 01:08:31,609 another another part of it is that 1540 01:08:36,010 --> 01:08:33,949 you're doing what I do and you know I 1541 01:08:38,649 --> 01:08:36,020 was already out there as a nonfiction 1542 01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:38,659 writer and a commentator on UFOs and 1543 01:08:43,899 --> 01:08:41,089 stuff I decided that if I was gonna talk 1544 01:08:46,539 --> 01:08:43,909 about it I was gonna talk about it where 1545 01:08:49,090 --> 01:08:46,549 I could tell it freely that I wouldn't 1546 01:08:51,130 --> 01:08:49,100 Bank on it and oh gee I had I had a UFO 1547 01:08:53,169 --> 01:08:51,140 experience Wow I could write a book or 1548 01:08:55,959 --> 01:08:53,179 five books about this and get on the 1549 01:08:58,180 --> 01:08:55,969 circuit and get paid it I'm like no I I 1550 01:09:00,970 --> 01:08:58,190 wasn't comfortable doing that so I 1551 01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:00,980 decided well you know if I'll talk about 1552 01:09:06,519 --> 01:09:03,049 it I'll just talk about it freely and 1553 01:09:07,149 --> 01:09:06,529 interviews and you know there it is take 1554 01:09:10,809 --> 01:09:07,159 it or leave it 1555 01:09:12,340 --> 01:09:10,819 anything mm-hmm we're gonna be taking 1556 01:09:14,860 --> 01:09:12,350 calls here in a little bit and I do want 1557 01:09:17,169 --> 01:09:14,870 to tell a couple things here just like 1558 01:09:18,910 --> 01:09:17,179 five minutes or so I want to tell the 1559 01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:18,920 audience sets up this is gonna be a new 1560 01:09:22,710 --> 01:09:20,770 number the old number 1561 01:09:25,740 --> 01:09:22,720 of course we'll still work for for now 1562 01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:25,750 but but we actually have we're gonna 1563 01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:27,730 have them screened race will be 1564 01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:31,090 screening these calls and the new number 1565 01:09:37,890 --> 01:09:35,290 will come up in YouTube and I will let 1566 01:09:40,110 --> 01:09:37,900 that know I will announce that too as as 1567 01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:40,120 far as so it can get over at kgr a radio 1568 01:09:46,260 --> 01:09:42,640 at the same time but we will be taking 1569 01:09:49,020 --> 01:09:46,270 calls in in like five minutes or so but 1570 01:09:52,260 --> 01:09:49,030 before we do that I wanted you to if you 1571 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:52,270 would talk about your dad's weird as you 1572 01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:54,010 put it I think you said weird airports 1573 01:09:59,220 --> 01:09:57,040 experience let's hear about that now 1574 01:10:03,150 --> 01:09:59,230 this this I have written a book about 1575 01:10:07,290 --> 01:10:03,160 okay house it involves my you know 1576 01:10:10,890 --> 01:10:07,300 extensive analysis in hypotheses and 1577 01:10:15,060 --> 01:10:10,900 speculations regarding this story that 1578 01:10:18,150 --> 01:10:15,070 my dad told for you know over thirty 1579 01:10:22,860 --> 01:10:18,160 five years before he died and well since 1580 01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:22,870 the I first heard it in 1974 when I was 1581 01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:25,810 about ten years old and essentially my 1582 01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:29,110 dad was a physiological training 1583 01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:32,800 instructor in the US Air Force in the 1584 01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:34,410 late the mid late fifties and 1585 01:10:40,260 --> 01:10:37,360 essentially he and the guys at his unit 1586 01:10:42,060 --> 01:10:40,270 ran the altitude chamber at George Air 1587 01:10:46,110 --> 01:10:42,070 Force Base here in Victorville 1588 01:10:49,290 --> 01:10:46,120 California now that put him in the 1589 01:10:53,850 --> 01:10:49,300 aerospace medicine command of the Air 1590 01:10:57,060 --> 01:10:53,860 Force he was on an actual 1591 01:10:59,250 --> 01:10:57,070 honest-to-goodness aircraft crash 1592 01:11:02,040 --> 01:10:59,260 retrieval team I've got the document 1593 01:11:04,830 --> 01:11:02,050 it's in the book as part of his duties 1594 01:11:07,740 --> 01:11:04,840 it doesn't say UFO crash retrieval or 1595 01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:07,750 alien courage it you know they when 1596 01:11:12,030 --> 01:11:09,040 there were crashes they had to go 1597 01:11:14,370 --> 01:11:12,040 retrieve the you know the the remains if 1598 01:11:16,860 --> 01:11:14,380 it was fatality and such and the thesis 1599 01:11:18,750 --> 01:11:16,870 of the aircraft and he was on one of 1600 01:11:22,230 --> 01:11:18,760 those that was kind of an additional 1601 01:11:26,850 --> 01:11:22,240 duty of his he was on basically this is 1602 01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:26,860 the story he told since 1974 he was in 1603 01:11:33,330 --> 01:11:30,640 training in 1958 at Gunther Air Force 1604 01:11:34,620 --> 01:11:33,340 Base in Alabama and he and a couple of 1605 01:11:37,470 --> 01:11:34,630 other guys were 1606 01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:37,480 they had to go over to Texas to Randolph 1607 01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:38,800 Air Force Base which was another 1608 01:11:43,919 --> 01:11:41,170 aerospace medicine focused a base and 1609 01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:43,929 they get on the plane and they're flying 1610 01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:46,000 west out of Alabama out of Montgomery 1611 01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:49,810 and the plane over Mississippi takes a 1612 01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:53,110 northward banking turn levels off and an 1613 01:11:58,260 --> 01:11:56,560 intelligence officer a guy comes out of 1614 01:12:00,810 --> 01:11:58,270 the front forward cabin introduces 1615 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:00,820 himself as a intelligence officer and 1616 01:12:04,919 --> 01:12:01,810 explains that they're going to 1617 01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:04,929 wright-patterson and they go to 1618 01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:07,600 wright-patterson and they're briefed in 1619 01:12:16,050 --> 01:12:13,330 on a crash that happened in New Mexico 1620 01:12:19,399 --> 01:12:16,060 in 1947 essentially you know what we 1621 01:12:25,020 --> 01:12:19,409 know is Roswell and they were told that 1622 01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:25,030 this was this had happened again the 1623 01:12:29,820 --> 01:12:27,070 situation didn't happen again out in 1624 01:12:33,419 --> 01:12:29,830 Arizona and that's where he and the guys 1625 01:12:35,310 --> 01:12:33,429 he was with were gonna be sent to to be 1626 01:12:38,490 --> 01:12:35,320 part of a rescue operation because 1627 01:12:41,970 --> 01:12:38,500 apparently the pilot was alive and his 1628 01:12:45,660 --> 01:12:41,980 people requested the assistance our you 1629 01:12:47,459 --> 01:12:45,670 know our assistance to rescue the pilot 1630 01:12:50,850 --> 01:12:47,469 and bring him back now 1631 01:12:54,750 --> 01:12:50,860 my dad says he was told that this was 1632 01:12:58,370 --> 01:12:54,760 the pilot and craft of another 1633 01:13:01,560 --> 01:12:58,380 civilization separate from ours that 1634 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:01,570 coexists with us on this planet and such 1635 01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:04,810 and for years he swore that Roswell was 1636 01:13:12,209 --> 01:13:08,560 not an extraterrestrial incident and the 1637 01:13:15,419 --> 01:13:12,219 the bodies you know that he saw and was 1638 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:15,429 briefed on were just as human as us but 1639 01:13:24,060 --> 01:13:18,610 just with less hair body hair was the 1640 01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:24,070 way he described and time travelers well 1641 01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:28,960 you know who knows yeah so he told this 1642 01:13:32,490 --> 01:13:30,850 story and you know I found it 1643 01:13:34,860 --> 01:13:32,500 fascinating my whole life I'm I'm 1644 01:13:37,020 --> 01:13:34,870 hearing this and finally a few years 1645 01:13:38,939 --> 01:13:37,030 after he passed away I thought you know 1646 01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:38,949 what I've been writing researching 1647 01:13:43,950 --> 01:13:41,770 investigating I've had my career I'm Air 1648 01:13:45,780 --> 01:13:43,960 Force officer you know I've learned some 1649 01:13:48,330 --> 01:13:45,790 things and I think it's time that I 1650 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:48,340 really sat down and researched and 1651 01:13:52,290 --> 01:13:50,170 investigated this story my dad told me 1652 01:13:55,170 --> 01:13:52,300 and look at the historical context and 1653 01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:55,180 what I when I did what I found out was 1654 01:14:01,550 --> 01:13:58,480 that the US Air Force aerospace medicine 1655 01:14:04,860 --> 01:14:01,560 division was intimately involved in the 1656 01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:04,870 quest to put man into space which really 1657 01:14:09,930 --> 01:14:08,320 started in the 1920s and 30s with the 1658 01:14:12,930 --> 01:14:09,940 Colonel Harry Armstrong of the Army Air 1659 01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:12,940 Corps and then continued after the war 1660 01:14:18,420 --> 01:14:16,050 and all through the 50s with Otis Benson 1661 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:18,430 the the Air Force commander of the 1662 01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:20,890 aerospace medical division which my dad 1663 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:22,930 his specialty fell under what I also 1664 01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:27,370 learned was that the of the four 1665 01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:30,570 military branches that engaged in 1666 01:14:36,210 --> 01:14:33,520 experimental MKULTRA operations during 1667 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:36,220 the 50s the US Air Force in particular 1668 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:39,370 really liked them k ultra and they 1669 01:14:48,090 --> 01:14:42,970 started their own MKULTRA you know 1670 01:14:52,500 --> 01:14:48,100 little program okay and this was in the 1671 01:14:55,620 --> 01:14:52,510 50s and as we know in MKULTRA there is 1672 01:14:59,100 --> 01:14:55,630 the psychological technology of the 1673 01:15:02,310 --> 01:14:59,110 planted narrative laying over a false 1674 01:15:07,620 --> 01:15:02,320 narrative and the the psyche of a person 1675 01:15:10,020 --> 01:15:07,630 - perhaps suppress actual activities and 1676 01:15:12,030 --> 01:15:10,030 when I looked at that in the context you 1677 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:12,040 know of that history and it was the Cold 1678 01:15:17,580 --> 01:15:15,370 War and there there indeed was actually 1679 01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:17,590 classified manned space program research 1680 01:15:22,770 --> 01:15:19,570 and stuff going on in the 50s at the Air 1681 01:15:25,500 --> 01:15:22,780 Force it it occurred to me that it's 1682 01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:25,510 possible that this story my dad told of 1683 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:29,290 this coexisting civilization and such 1684 01:15:35,460 --> 01:15:31,930 and on may have been a planted narrative 1685 01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:35,470 to cover for whatever he was actually 1686 01:15:41,340 --> 01:15:38,800 doing while in Arizona during you know 1687 01:15:43,020 --> 01:15:41,350 this period of time and so I felt that 1688 01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:43,030 if I was going to write a book about 1689 01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:46,480 mind that you know present my dad a 1690 01:15:52,020 --> 01:15:49,600 story I felt that it would be it had to 1691 01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:52,030 be fair and objective of me to also 1692 01:15:56,780 --> 01:15:54,130 present this context that hate and Kay 1693 01:16:00,060 --> 01:15:56,790 ultra was going on and the US Air Force 1694 01:16:02,340 --> 01:16:00,070 loved it specifically the command my dad 1695 01:16:03,900 --> 01:16:02,350 was in so it is possible 1696 01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:03,910 I have to recognize that it's possible 1697 01:16:08,610 --> 01:16:06,370 that the story my dad superficially 1698 01:16:11,580 --> 01:16:08,620 believed or believed I'll say the story 1699 01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:11,590 he believed may have been a planted 1700 01:16:19,950 --> 01:16:14,050 narrative and that's one of the 1701 01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:19,960 hypotheses in in that book about that 1702 01:16:26,990 --> 01:16:24,070 so it's interesting you know it's still 1703 01:16:32,370 --> 01:16:27,000 his story as he told it could be true 1704 01:16:35,340 --> 01:16:32,380 now sure I know what about as far as 1705 01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:35,350 them telling him anything like you can't 1706 01:16:39,630 --> 01:16:37,570 talk about this or signing a 1707 01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:39,640 nondisclosure or anything like anything 1708 01:16:44,850 --> 01:16:40,810 like that 1709 01:16:47,790 --> 01:16:44,860 yeah I'm you know he he would say that 1710 01:16:50,580 --> 01:16:47,800 you know through the years that I could 1711 01:16:51,870 --> 01:16:50,590 tell he was stopping a certain point you 1712 01:16:55,170 --> 01:16:51,880 know it was it was clear that he 1713 01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:55,180 couldn't talk about some details but you 1714 01:16:59,190 --> 01:16:57,130 know of course and then when I got into 1715 01:17:00,360 --> 01:16:59,200 the Air Force and there or the FBI then 1716 01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:00,370 the Air Force and I learned how these 1717 01:17:06,990 --> 01:17:02,560 things work because I have a fairly 1718 01:17:08,910 --> 01:17:07,000 decent security clearance myself you 1719 01:17:13,170 --> 01:17:08,920 know I understand how these things work 1720 01:17:16,260 --> 01:17:13,180 and it's my it's my speculation my 1721 01:17:18,270 --> 01:17:16,270 opinion that what the Air Force was 1722 01:17:20,910 --> 01:17:18,280 doing with MKULTRA back then was 1723 01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:20,920 possibly experimenting with it as a 1724 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:23,110 means to keep people from talking about 1725 01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:26,010 classified operations which would 1726 01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:29,170 hypothetically explain putting a 1727 01:17:35,220 --> 01:17:31,210 narrative about you know another 1728 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:35,230 civilization in UFOs say for instance he 1729 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:37,930 was working on the actual classified 1730 01:17:43,290 --> 01:17:41,050 human space travel research okay or 1731 01:17:45,540 --> 01:17:43,300 actual classified human space program 1732 01:17:47,820 --> 01:17:45,550 that the Air Force was conducting for 1733 01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:47,830 example and that was the thing they were 1734 01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:50,850 trying to keep deeply classified well 1735 01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:53,530 for example the hypothetical I'd lay out 1736 01:17:58,710 --> 01:17:56,050 in the book is that when he agrees to do 1737 01:18:02,880 --> 01:17:58,720 whatever work it was he did he agrees to 1738 01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:02,890 being subjected to MKULTRA methods when 1739 01:18:09,630 --> 01:18:06,640 his assignment is over to cover over 1740 01:18:12,860 --> 01:18:09,640 memories of the actual classified 1741 01:18:15,540 --> 01:18:12,870 operation with a planted narrative and I 1742 01:18:17,130 --> 01:18:15,550 hypothetically proposed 1743 01:18:19,140 --> 01:18:17,140 that he would have agreed to this 1744 01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:19,150 because back then MKULTRA was a new toy 1745 01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:22,480 you know they they you know weren't sure 1746 01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:23,770 of all the bad things that could happen 1747 01:18:27,690 --> 01:18:26,050 and you know he's a young patriotic guy 1748 01:18:31,260 --> 01:18:27,700 he would have said yeah sure count me in 1749 01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:31,270 and that's how theoretically they would 1750 01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:34,480 have experimented with ways of keeping 1751 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:36,640 something secret is using this planet 1752 01:18:40,890 --> 01:18:38,410 narrative thing to you know keep it 1753 01:18:43,290 --> 01:18:40,900 suppressed but after a while it breaks 1754 01:18:47,730 --> 01:18:43,300 down over the years and it did affect 1755 01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:47,740 you know his his psycho-emotional moods 1756 01:18:55,140 --> 01:18:50,310 and things like that over the years so 1757 01:18:59,250 --> 01:18:55,150 Wow now I do want to say I did put up 1758 01:19:02,460 --> 01:18:59,260 the new number up on the on YouTube and 1759 01:19:05,180 --> 01:19:02,470 I just realized just as I was going to 1760 01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:05,190 announce this just a second ago that 1761 01:19:13,410 --> 01:19:09,330 there is some settings that I'd have to 1762 01:19:15,330 --> 01:19:13,420 really work out and test this we had put 1763 01:19:17,690 --> 01:19:15,340 this number up just before the show in 1764 01:19:21,810 --> 01:19:17,700 like not going to be able to use it 1765 01:19:23,610 --> 01:19:21,820 right now this this this time in this 1766 01:19:28,020 --> 01:19:23,620 show only because I do not believe that 1767 01:19:28,740 --> 01:19:28,030 my browser will feed back through it's a 1768 01:19:30,780 --> 01:19:28,750 long story 1769 01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:30,790 I want to get into the technicality of 1770 01:19:35,550 --> 01:19:32,560 it just the fact that I don't think it's 1771 01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:35,560 going to work so in that case what I'm 1772 01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:37,510 gonna do is we are gonna I'm going to 1773 01:19:44,130 --> 01:19:40,090 put up the normal call number which is 1774 01:19:46,410 --> 01:19:44,140 nine six seven I'm sorry 603 nine six 1775 01:19:49,260 --> 01:19:46,420 seven for o3o if someone would like to 1776 01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:49,270 call in that number they can call in now 1777 01:19:53,490 --> 01:19:51,370 and we'll get that all ironed out by 1778 01:19:57,050 --> 01:19:53,500 next week we'll figure out how to get 1779 01:20:00,240 --> 01:19:57,060 that number working well next week so 1780 01:20:04,290 --> 01:20:00,250 pardon me so I remember when you and I 1781 01:20:06,750 --> 01:20:04,300 were talking ahead of the show you said 1782 01:20:09,420 --> 01:20:06,760 you you had a thought that a lot of UFOs 1783 01:20:11,940 --> 01:20:09,430 or 90% of them were military so how do 1784 01:20:14,940 --> 01:20:11,950 you only come across that conclusion 1785 01:20:16,770 --> 01:20:14,950 especially with the sighting you had how 1786 01:20:19,470 --> 01:20:16,780 could you possibly explain that why 1787 01:20:24,510 --> 01:20:19,480 would something be dumping molten stuff 1788 01:20:28,890 --> 01:20:24,520 over if it was military actually I think 1789 01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:28,900 it's a reasonable possibility because 1790 01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:32,320 depending upon whatever technology might 1791 01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:37,920 have been tested or my my view that 90% 1792 01:20:46,290 --> 01:20:40,810 that's just my personal number okay 1793 01:20:49,230 --> 01:20:46,300 that's not a hard law but roughly 90% in 1794 01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:49,240 my opinion of the legitimate UFO 1795 01:20:56,450 --> 01:20:51,730 sightings you know that not just people 1796 01:20:59,790 --> 01:20:56,460 making stuff up to get attention are 1797 01:21:02,910 --> 01:20:59,800 some form of class like human technology 1798 01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:02,920 a chunk of it military another chunk of 1799 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:05,440 it would be you know practice aerospace 1800 01:21:11,660 --> 01:21:08,010 development you know proprietary 1801 01:21:14,780 --> 01:21:11,670 technology of theirs or even possibly 1802 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:14,790 other organizations that we have come to 1803 01:21:21,300 --> 01:21:17,530 popularly called breakaway civilizations 1804 01:21:23,820 --> 01:21:21,310 perhaps but classify human technologies 1805 01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:23,830 something that human organizations 1806 01:21:32,630 --> 01:21:30,370 agencies are doing and the remaining 10% 1807 01:21:35,550 --> 01:21:32,640 in my opinion would include the 1808 01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:35,560 otherworldly possibilities people from 1809 01:21:39,870 --> 01:21:37,840 other planets you know you could throw 1810 01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:39,880 interdimensional zin there what-have-you 1811 01:21:46,140 --> 01:21:43,930 the time travel thing but a lot of 1812 01:21:46,980 --> 01:21:46,150 people get alarmed when they go oh 90% 1813 01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:46,990 how can you say that 1814 01:21:52,830 --> 01:21:50,290 well I point them to the 10% new fun for 1815 01:21:54,570 --> 01:21:52,840 example just one organization in the 1816 01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:54,580 month of April of this year reported 1817 01:22:00,090 --> 01:21:57,730 over 5,000 UFO sightings that were 1818 01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:00,100 reported you know just in that given 1819 01:22:07,050 --> 01:22:02,850 month okay around the world to them now 1820 01:22:09,420 --> 01:22:07,060 10% of that would be over 500 UFO 1821 01:22:12,660 --> 01:22:09,430 sightings that I would reasonably save 1822 01:22:17,390 --> 01:22:12,670 one of those you know those would be the 1823 01:22:20,010 --> 01:22:17,400 otherworldly ones well I mean over 500 1824 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:20,020 otherworldly UFO sightings in a given 1825 01:22:26,100 --> 01:22:22,810 month is a lot because remember it only 1826 01:22:28,230 --> 01:22:26,110 takes one to you know prove so to speak 1827 01:22:32,610 --> 01:22:28,240 that people come from other world so 1828 01:22:35,490 --> 01:22:32,620 that 10% is still a big giant fat number 1829 01:22:37,950 --> 01:22:35,500 of possibility now why do I say 90 it's 1830 01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:37,960 because we know that we have military 1831 01:22:42,780 --> 01:22:40,330 czars and others around the world we 1832 01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:42,790 know that aerospace companies exist we 1833 01:22:46,860 --> 01:22:45,130 know that they're always testing and 1834 01:22:49,230 --> 01:22:46,870 developing things that's a fact that's a 1835 01:22:50,700 --> 01:22:49,240 given and I think a lot of times you 1836 01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:50,710 know people will see something in the 1837 01:22:54,150 --> 01:22:52,090 excitement 1838 01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,160 maybe exaggerate s-- what they think 1839 01:22:58,100 --> 01:22:56,560 they're seeing or maybe what they're 1840 01:23:01,830 --> 01:22:58,110 seeing is some pretty amazing technology 1841 01:23:04,050 --> 01:23:01,840 that due to their just simple 1842 01:23:05,850 --> 01:23:04,060 you know lack of awareness because 1843 01:23:08,130 --> 01:23:05,860 they're not exposed to it they're not 1844 01:23:10,050 --> 01:23:08,140 pretty to it it seems otherworldly to 1845 01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:10,060 them but I guess that's where I come to 1846 01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:12,490 that and also you know having been in 1847 01:23:17,970 --> 01:23:15,250 the Air Force I was an OSI agent that 1848 01:23:19,650 --> 01:23:17,980 was I was chief of a counter espionage 1849 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:19,660 operations branch okay that's a double 1850 01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:22,570 agents and we work with classified 1851 01:23:29,550 --> 01:23:27,010 technology information daily okay so I 1852 01:23:31,710 --> 01:23:29,560 saw a lot of interesting things across 1853 01:23:35,370 --> 01:23:31,720 my desk I saw interesting things when I 1854 01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:35,380 had to go to vaults I have a pretty you 1855 01:23:40,050 --> 01:23:37,210 know good security clearance so it's you 1856 01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:40,060 know briefed on stuff and so I you know 1857 01:23:46,140 --> 01:23:43,690 all of that is how I come to the 90 1858 01:23:48,270 --> 01:23:46,150 percent number I got it and it's it's 1859 01:23:50,730 --> 01:23:48,280 different you laid it out differently 1860 01:23:52,260 --> 01:23:50,740 than I thought you were going to so I'm 1861 01:23:54,260 --> 01:23:52,270 not gonna be able to argue with you as 1862 01:23:57,060 --> 01:23:54,270 much as I wanted to 1863 01:23:59,090 --> 01:23:57,070 we have a caller on the line caller your 1864 01:24:02,700 --> 01:23:59,100 first name and where you calling from 1865 01:24:04,170 --> 01:24:02,710 hey this is James from kenseth hey James 1866 01:24:06,690 --> 01:24:04,180 welcome to the show you have a question 1867 01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:06,700 for our guest yes I do 1868 01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:08,560 hi mr. Bosley I should speak with you 1869 01:24:14,340 --> 01:24:11,440 I'm a big fan your work and especially 1870 01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:14,350 your sceptical criticism of the whole 1871 01:24:20,730 --> 01:24:18,610 TTS a scenario yeah and your work with 1872 01:24:23,250 --> 01:24:20,740 dark journalists as a guilty pleasure of 1873 01:24:25,260 --> 01:24:23,260 mine especially in a Twitter land where 1874 01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:25,270 we're surrounded by young guns and true 1875 01:24:30,630 --> 01:24:28,690 believers so what I wanted to what I 1876 01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:30,640 wanted to get your thoughts on is just 1877 01:24:34,830 --> 01:24:32,800 the general scenario that we're dealing 1878 01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:34,840 with I try to remain skeptical and an 1879 01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:38,560 open-minded and you know I've tried to 1880 01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:39,760 talk to some friends who work 1881 01:24:46,230 --> 01:24:42,090 intelligence just to get a feel of what 1882 01:24:49,650 --> 01:24:46,240 are the bounds of US intelligence to be 1883 01:24:51,930 --> 01:24:49,660 able to run some sort of operation like 1884 01:24:55,410 --> 01:24:51,940 this that is not what they're saying it 1885 01:24:56,669 --> 01:24:55,420 is right so this is not disclosure this 1886 01:25:00,449 --> 01:24:56,679 is not an acclimatized 1887 01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:00,459 Asian confirmation program this is you 1888 01:25:06,179 --> 01:25:03,130 know misinformation for adversaries or 1889 01:25:08,609 --> 01:25:06,189 whatever it to me I was never able to 1890 01:25:11,729 --> 01:25:08,619 wrap my mind around an alternative that 1891 01:25:14,250 --> 01:25:11,739 wasn't more outrageous than just going 1892 01:25:15,779 --> 01:25:14,260 with what they were saying so I was 1893 01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:15,789 wondering the lens through which you see 1894 01:25:19,919 --> 01:25:17,530 this and sort of what you think the 1895 01:25:21,149 --> 01:25:19,929 bounds are of a what they're capable of 1896 01:25:25,589 --> 01:25:21,159 doing and what they're legally allowed 1897 01:25:31,589 --> 01:25:25,599 to I I think I understand what you're 1898 01:25:36,469 --> 01:25:31,599 asking well first of all when they when 1899 01:25:40,799 --> 01:25:36,479 an organization or program wants to 1900 01:25:44,549 --> 01:25:40,809 divert okay focus from what something 1901 01:25:52,429 --> 01:25:44,559 really maybe it really is and they want 1902 01:25:59,060 --> 01:25:52,439 to divert the the perception of that 1903 01:26:01,919 --> 01:25:59,070 well they can use whatever information 1904 01:26:04,850 --> 01:26:01,929 that they want that will reasonably work 1905 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:04,860 within the context that particular 1906 01:26:13,649 --> 01:26:10,650 operation information is not in itself 1907 01:26:16,259 --> 01:26:13,659 something that they really have to worry 1908 01:26:19,979 --> 01:26:16,269 about in this context that they have to 1909 01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:19,989 worry about you know legalities as far 1910 01:26:27,779 --> 01:26:25,449 as the the UFO so to speak for actually 1911 01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:27,789 human technology a lot of that is done 1912 01:26:35,939 --> 01:26:33,280 by the UFO community and UFO media 1913 01:26:38,429 --> 01:26:35,949 community itself it's really a lot of 1914 01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:38,439 hey people are seeing this thing well 1915 01:26:42,449 --> 01:26:40,510 okay and they think it's from another 1916 01:26:45,629 --> 01:26:42,459 planet well let them continue to think 1917 01:26:47,399 --> 01:26:45,639 that just keep feeding that yeah yeah 1918 01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:47,409 yeah that sounds good yeah we don't know 1919 01:26:51,870 --> 01:26:50,050 what it is so you know kind of a wink 1920 01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:51,880 and a nudge go ahead and think it's from 1921 01:26:59,069 --> 01:26:54,130 another world that kind of duh job for 1922 01:27:00,810 --> 01:26:59,079 us and now when you're asking what what 1923 01:27:06,929 --> 01:27:00,820 do you mean what's it legal to what 1924 01:27:09,149 --> 01:27:06,939 extent I'm not sure so I think if you if 1925 01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:09,159 you although what I call core Tom 1926 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:10,960 DeLonge Canon which is to 1927 01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:13,930 I was in 16 - 2017 probably nine hours 1928 01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:16,090 of radio he's being just stalled on the 1929 01:27:20,300 --> 01:27:17,890 secrets of the universe which was given 1930 01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:20,310 to him by his various contacts right 1931 01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:23,440 okay no and I some degree of that now 1932 01:27:27,959 --> 01:27:25,360 has gone straight through the mainstream 1933 01:27:30,590 --> 01:27:27,969 press the international press my mom 1934 01:27:35,070 --> 01:27:30,600 asked me about it right so it's not just 1935 01:27:36,570 --> 01:27:35,080 UFO town now it's full mainstream public 1936 01:27:38,190 --> 01:27:36,580 consciousness so that's what I was 1937 01:27:42,810 --> 01:27:38,200 you're going to get my head around yeah 1938 01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:42,820 - to an extent it's not as gripping to 1939 01:27:50,010 --> 01:27:46,210 the general mainstream as our community 1940 01:27:52,140 --> 01:27:50,020 elements of our community think it is or 1941 01:27:53,580 --> 01:27:52,150 insisting that it is there's still a lot 1942 01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:53,590 of people out there though huh 1943 01:27:58,320 --> 01:27:56,530 what but yeah you're right it is it's 1944 01:28:03,030 --> 01:27:58,330 out there a little bit more a little bit 1945 01:28:08,370 --> 01:28:03,040 farther look when it comes to perception 1946 01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:08,380 management I don't want to say the the 1947 01:28:13,740 --> 01:28:10,450 sky's the limit but you do have margin 1948 01:28:15,660 --> 01:28:13,750 because you're you're you're doing just 1949 01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:15,670 that you're managing perceptions your 1950 01:28:22,770 --> 01:28:19,570 job is to deflect an understanding of 1951 01:28:25,740 --> 01:28:22,780 what something actually is so you know 1952 01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:25,750 you have to get creative now when I talk 1953 01:28:30,780 --> 01:28:27,730 about perception management relative to 1954 01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:30,790 something like TTS a that's that's 1955 01:28:39,050 --> 01:28:34,090 something within in my opinion the CIA 1956 01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:39,060 context and the CIA psyops context and 1957 01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:42,730 Wow their purpose for being involved in 1958 01:28:47,070 --> 01:28:43,330 all this 1959 01:28:49,650 --> 01:28:47,080 could be anything what I see as far as a 1960 01:28:52,979 --> 01:28:49,660 sleight-of-hand going on with any of 1961 01:28:54,570 --> 01:28:52,989 this and what they do is simply that and 1962 01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:54,580 I'm not the first to say that there's 1963 01:28:58,229 --> 01:28:55,840 been others have been talking about this 1964 01:29:01,500 --> 01:28:58,239 and I agree with it it it appears that 1965 01:29:05,540 --> 01:29:01,510 we might be ready to see a pretty big 1966 01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:05,550 leap forward in these technologies and 1967 01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:09,370 somebody may want to be getting out 1968 01:29:14,940 --> 01:29:11,770 there ahead to kind of pave the 1969 01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:14,950 perception management to lead in a 1970 01:29:21,180 --> 01:29:17,650 certain direction if that makes you no 1971 01:29:23,459 --> 01:29:21,190 sense remember I I don't know exactly 1972 01:29:24,809 --> 01:29:23,469 what it is they're up to but my 1973 01:29:26,699 --> 01:29:24,819 experience is a 1974 01:29:29,279 --> 01:29:26,709 former spook as an investigator as a 1975 01:29:32,399 --> 01:29:29,289 researcher my hackles are up my radars 1976 01:29:35,159 --> 01:29:32,409 up okay I know that there's something up 1977 01:29:38,189 --> 01:29:35,169 here it's not exactly what it appears to 1978 01:29:39,119 --> 01:29:38,199 be but I can't tell you exactly what 1979 01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:39,129 that is yet 1980 01:29:47,579 --> 01:29:42,159 I can only tell you mmm this looks and 1981 01:29:48,199 --> 01:29:47,589 sounds like a duck you know so if that 1982 01:29:50,929 --> 01:29:48,209 helps 1983 01:29:54,270 --> 01:29:50,939 that's great thank you very much all 1984 01:29:57,209 --> 01:29:54,280 skeptical right James thanks for the 1985 01:30:00,119 --> 01:29:57,219 call thank you 1986 01:30:04,049 --> 01:30:00,129 so I'm interested in continuing this 1987 01:30:06,869 --> 01:30:04,059 this conversation and actually sure one 1988 01:30:08,549 --> 01:30:06,879 of the things I said on a show I was 1989 01:30:10,919 --> 01:30:08,559 kind of surprised I didn't get any you 1990 01:30:15,059 --> 01:30:10,929 know feedback or hate mail like I often 1991 01:30:18,209 --> 01:30:15,069 do but I just said you know if if there 1992 01:30:21,689 --> 01:30:18,219 was going to be a misinformation agent 1993 01:30:25,409 --> 01:30:21,699 Lou Elizondo is a perfect guy for it 1994 01:30:26,189 --> 01:30:25,419 because he's really smooth he's very you 1995 01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:26,199 talk to him 1996 01:30:30,839 --> 01:30:28,719 you know face to face you trust the guy 1997 01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:30,849 immediately I mean I'm this how I feel 1998 01:30:35,969 --> 01:30:32,649 when I talk to him 1999 01:30:38,250 --> 01:30:35,979 and so I I just thought well you know in 2000 01:30:41,039 --> 01:30:38,260 actuality he would be a really good 2001 01:30:44,819 --> 01:30:41,049 misinformation agent I'm not saying he 2002 01:30:49,259 --> 01:30:44,829 is I'm not saying he isn't but I will 2003 01:30:51,449 --> 01:30:49,269 say that you you know it is it is 2004 01:30:53,309 --> 01:30:51,459 curious because there are people that 2005 01:30:55,649 --> 01:30:53,319 are speculating and I thought it was a 2006 01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:55,659 really good thing that actually on an 2007 01:31:00,329 --> 01:30:57,280 unidentified that and one of the 2008 01:31:03,389 --> 01:31:00,339 episodes they actually tackled that very 2009 01:31:07,469 --> 01:31:03,399 subject you know of whether he is or is 2010 01:31:09,419 --> 01:31:07,479 not and you know for you know maybe 2011 01:31:12,569 --> 01:31:09,429 that's all part of the plan like to say 2012 01:31:14,099 --> 01:31:12,579 if he was misinformation maybe that you 2013 01:31:15,449 --> 01:31:14,109 know to go along with well you're right 2014 01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:15,459 you know I understand why people think 2015 01:31:20,669 --> 01:31:18,729 that and he I never would never do this 2016 01:31:23,099 --> 01:31:20,679 that you know I don't know if you watch 2017 01:31:26,329 --> 01:31:23,109 that particular episode or not I have I 2018 01:31:29,699 --> 01:31:26,339 haven't seen I think I've watched only 2019 01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:29,709 four or five episodes so far I have to 2020 01:31:33,509 --> 01:31:31,449 yeah I think that was number four or 2021 01:31:36,599 --> 01:31:33,519 number four where he was talking about 2022 01:31:38,410 --> 01:31:36,609 that so I I don't know you know maybe I 2023 01:31:41,380 --> 01:31:38,420 glossed over them 2024 01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:41,390 I'm you know I I watched him up to the 2025 01:31:45,460 --> 01:31:43,280 point that my friend Greg Bishop was on 2026 01:31:47,710 --> 01:31:45,470 there and oh yes I've got a pickup I got 2027 01:31:49,570 --> 01:31:47,720 into the episode he was on I got a tease 2028 01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:49,580 him next time I see him about that 2029 01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:51,890 because it said underneath him UFO 2030 01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:55,850 expert UFO expert I love that you know 2031 01:31:59,380 --> 01:31:57,440 it's interesting you'd say that they 2032 01:32:01,870 --> 01:31:59,390 addressed that and the way they 2033 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:01,880 addressed it was he assured the viewer 2034 01:32:06,430 --> 01:32:04,010 that he was not you know basically that 2035 01:32:08,350 --> 01:32:06,440 came up like you know he would you know 2036 01:32:10,420 --> 01:32:08,360 basically never do that he understands 2037 01:32:12,700 --> 01:32:10,430 why you know there is controversy and 2038 01:32:18,070 --> 01:32:12,710 people are you know questioning him and 2039 01:32:21,100 --> 01:32:18,080 stuff like that you know I mean wow I I 2040 01:32:23,140 --> 01:32:21,110 you know gee convinces me all he had to 2041 01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:23,150 do was say gosh I would never do that 2042 01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:25,730 yeah I I'll have to watch it myself in 2043 01:32:29,110 --> 01:32:27,890 all fairness and yeah like we were 2044 01:32:31,570 --> 01:32:29,120 talking before that look at the body 2045 01:32:34,750 --> 01:32:31,580 language listen to the voice and yeah 2046 01:32:35,650 --> 01:32:34,760 but yeah I've I've talked about them 2047 01:32:39,340 --> 01:32:35,660 plenty 2048 01:32:43,570 --> 01:32:39,350 so people people tend to know where I 2049 01:32:46,330 --> 01:32:43,580 come from on that well there's also at 2050 01:32:48,340 --> 01:32:46,340 play out there and I'm not saying this 2051 01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:48,350 has anything to do with you or not but 2052 01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:50,000 at play out there is there is a lot of 2053 01:32:54,970 --> 01:32:52,970 jealousy as far as you know Tom DeLonge 2054 01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:54,980 making any headway when a lot of people 2055 01:32:58,900 --> 01:32:56,690 have tried to make headway for so long 2056 01:33:01,210 --> 01:32:58,910 and he's open a lot of he's actually 2057 01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:01,220 opened a lot of doors you know maybe 2058 01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:03,770 he's being used you know that's the 2059 01:33:09,700 --> 01:33:07,850 other alternative maybe maybe not you 2060 01:33:11,460 --> 01:33:09,710 know and do you oh let me just ask you 2061 01:33:14,380 --> 01:33:11,470 this question do you think that end time 2062 01:33:21,420 --> 01:33:14,390 if that is a situation that will 2063 01:33:24,850 --> 01:33:21,430 eventually find out it's it's very very 2064 01:33:27,220 --> 01:33:24,860 possible in time to find out I came to 2065 01:33:30,130 --> 01:33:27,230 the conclusion that Tom DeLonge himself 2066 01:33:34,690 --> 01:33:30,140 is sincere about his interest sincere 2067 01:33:38,140 --> 01:33:34,700 about his pursuits of this and steer-in 2068 01:33:40,060 --> 01:33:38,150 his vision of tts a the scenario I see 2069 01:33:42,130 --> 01:33:40,070 is that when he approached the 2070 01:33:45,490 --> 01:33:42,140 government folks somebody there in the 2071 01:33:48,900 --> 01:33:45,500 Intel community said hmm we could really 2072 01:33:52,109 --> 01:33:48,910 use this let's let's help this guy 2073 01:33:54,350 --> 01:33:52,119 develop this thing and 2074 01:33:57,209 --> 01:33:54,360 let's yeah let's be involved in this 2075 01:34:01,830 --> 01:33:57,219 that's the way I see it so I I think I 2076 01:34:03,869 --> 01:34:01,840 ya the casual way to put it is he's 2077 01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:03,879 being used it's been used to some degree 2078 01:34:09,060 --> 01:34:06,449 I would agree with that assessment 2079 01:34:12,119 --> 01:34:09,070 interesting but what about when it comes 2080 01:34:16,350 --> 01:34:12,129 to all these other people like Tim melon 2081 01:34:17,879 --> 01:34:16,360 Steve justice he'll put off all those do 2082 01:34:19,799 --> 01:34:17,889 you think they would actually get in bed 2083 01:34:22,739 --> 01:34:19,809 with something like this and agree to go 2084 01:34:27,029 --> 01:34:22,749 along yes you do and and what would 2085 01:34:29,699 --> 01:34:27,039 their motivation be duty they would see 2086 01:34:31,500 --> 01:34:29,709 it as part of you know what they've done 2087 01:34:33,469 --> 01:34:31,510 all along in their careers they would 2088 01:34:36,089 --> 01:34:33,479 see it as the people who would do this 2089 01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:36,099 see their perspective is they're 2090 01:34:41,850 --> 01:34:38,050 supporting national security directives 2091 01:34:46,529 --> 01:34:41,860 that's exactly how they would see it if 2092 01:34:49,169 --> 01:34:46,539 I were an agent in charge of the or 2093 01:34:50,819 --> 01:34:49,179 involved with special projects you know 2094 01:34:53,639 --> 01:34:50,829 aside which is an actual division and 2095 01:34:57,899 --> 01:34:53,649 they protect all this secret technology 2096 01:35:00,569 --> 01:34:57,909 and you know they told me hey you know 2097 01:35:02,069 --> 01:35:00,579 Walter let people think something's a 2098 01:35:04,049 --> 01:35:02,079 flying saucer from another world if they 2099 01:35:06,299 --> 01:35:04,059 see the stealth this or that drone or 2100 01:35:09,330 --> 01:35:06,309 whatever I you know yeah absolutely 2101 01:35:12,689 --> 01:35:09,340 okay cool now you can point to the Paul 2102 01:35:15,449 --> 01:35:12,699 bennewitz situation and say oh bad evil 2103 01:35:17,159 --> 01:35:15,459 Air Force but if you read for instance 2104 01:35:19,259 --> 01:35:17,169 grill fish it's excellent book on this 2105 01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:19,269 and you look closely it's my opinion 2106 01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:21,489 that the Air Force is not something a 2107 01:35:28,229 --> 01:35:23,679 culprit as another player and that a 2108 01:35:30,419 --> 01:35:28,239 player appears to be the NSA okay the it 2109 01:35:32,819 --> 01:35:30,429 appears that the NSA were the was the 2110 01:35:35,819 --> 01:35:32,829 organization behind really pushing 2111 01:35:37,770 --> 01:35:35,829 bennewitz over the edge now Dody that 2112 01:35:39,359 --> 01:35:37,780 comes up because you know being an OSI 2113 01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:39,369 agent people say well what about Richard 2114 01:35:46,379 --> 01:35:43,689 Doty when I was a new agent and you know 2115 01:35:48,029 --> 01:35:46,389 they put me in counterintelligence stuff 2116 01:35:53,369 --> 01:35:48,039 because that's what I had done for the 2117 01:35:56,819 --> 01:35:53,379 FBI before OSI Richard Doty was 2118 01:35:58,949 --> 01:35:56,829 mentioned to me as a cautionary tale you 2119 01:36:00,449 --> 01:35:58,959 know my supervisor said look we got to 2120 01:36:01,379 --> 01:36:00,459 be careful with certain things la blah 2121 01:36:03,409 --> 01:36:01,389 blah 2122 01:36:05,970 --> 01:36:03,419 there was this agent Richard Doty and 2123 01:36:07,380 --> 01:36:05,980 you know essentially we don't 2124 01:36:09,900 --> 01:36:07,390 want anything like that happening again 2125 01:36:11,580 --> 01:36:09,910 that was blah blah blah so forth so he 2126 01:36:13,290 --> 01:36:11,590 was a cautionary tale to me I never met 2127 01:36:16,020 --> 01:36:13,300 the man I've only spoken with him 2128 01:36:20,130 --> 01:36:16,030 privately once I think two years ago via 2129 01:36:22,140 --> 01:36:20,140 Facebook direct message but he was not 2130 01:36:24,750 --> 01:36:22,150 you know he was not presented as the 2131 01:36:26,940 --> 01:36:24,760 shining example of you know doing things 2132 01:36:31,050 --> 01:36:26,950 right when I was in before I ever heard 2133 01:36:34,979 --> 01:36:31,060 of him this was in 94 and and what 2134 01:36:37,500 --> 01:36:34,989 exactly did were his his issues that 2135 01:36:41,060 --> 01:36:37,510 what where did he go wrong because there 2136 01:36:43,740 --> 01:36:41,070 were other people involved not just him 2137 01:36:46,460 --> 01:36:43,750 so say exactly yeah there were other 2138 01:36:50,370 --> 01:36:46,470 people involved and I have said before 2139 01:36:52,500 --> 01:36:50,380 that when I finally learned more from 2140 01:36:55,140 --> 01:36:52,510 the public perspective and through you 2141 01:36:57,180 --> 01:36:55,150 know Greg and more details on this book 2142 01:36:59,280 --> 01:36:57,190 when I get asked this I say look and all 2143 01:37:01,320 --> 01:36:59,290 fairness on the other side of this coin 2144 01:37:03,390 --> 01:37:01,330 I've given you this the one side I was 2145 01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:03,400 told but on the other side after having 2146 01:37:07,740 --> 01:37:05,530 been an OSI agent has been in this the 2147 01:37:08,940 --> 01:37:07,750 world that you know he and I were in I 2148 01:37:11,010 --> 01:37:08,950 tell people all the time 2149 01:37:12,750 --> 01:37:11,020 I'm not going to ultimately judge 2150 01:37:17,300 --> 01:37:12,760 Richard Doty on the bennewitz affair 2151 01:37:22,860 --> 01:37:17,310 until I get to see the case file and so 2152 01:37:25,650 --> 01:37:22,870 really you can't judge Richard Doty that 2153 01:37:27,570 --> 01:37:25,660 harshly all of us being ignorant of 2154 01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:27,580 what's in that case file that case file 2155 01:37:32,220 --> 01:37:30,489 on all of that could have some stuff in 2156 01:37:35,190 --> 01:37:32,230 it that would really enlighten people 2157 01:37:38,300 --> 01:37:35,200 and might even in their own minds 2158 01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:38,310 exonerate you know the Air Force and 2159 01:37:42,270 --> 01:37:41,110 implicate you know another organization 2160 01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:42,280 because we know there were other 2161 01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:46,930 organizations involved but you know 2162 01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:49,090 that's the one thing you know that 2163 01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:51,280 people can point to as far as what we're 2164 01:37:56,010 --> 01:37:53,010 talking about with perception management 2165 01:37:58,110 --> 01:37:56,020 right right Richard's gonna be on the 2166 01:38:03,300 --> 01:37:58,120 show either sometime in August or 2167 01:38:04,740 --> 01:38:03,310 September and I did ask him I did ask 2168 01:38:06,180 --> 01:38:04,750 him if there was anything I couldn't 2169 01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:06,190 talk about he said well of course he 2170 01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:07,210 can't talk about anything that's 2171 01:38:11,130 --> 01:38:08,890 classified I said yes of course right 2172 01:38:12,780 --> 01:38:11,140 but I said is there can I want to talk 2173 01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:12,790 about the Paul bennewitz case you know 2174 01:38:17,739 --> 01:38:15,610 kind let's talk about that and and he 2175 01:38:20,500 --> 01:38:17,749 said that he's fine and 2176 01:38:22,750 --> 01:38:20,510 so it should be an interesting show I'm 2177 01:38:24,609 --> 01:38:22,760 sure there'll be a lot of people wanting 2178 01:38:26,049 --> 01:38:24,619 to ask questions on that so when I set 2179 01:38:27,969 --> 01:38:26,059 the date I'll announce that but it's 2180 01:38:30,879 --> 01:38:27,979 probably sometime late August early 2181 01:38:33,100 --> 01:38:30,889 September or something like that but 2182 01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:33,110 yeah you know you see the situation 2183 01:38:39,489 --> 01:38:36,530 where he gets involved and you know the 2184 01:38:41,589 --> 01:38:39,499 and Greg Bishop I know did write a 2185 01:38:43,299 --> 01:38:41,599 wonderful book about it 2186 01:38:47,620 --> 01:38:43,309 Chris Lambright who's a friend of mine 2187 01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:47,630 also wrote half of his book X descending 2188 01:38:53,020 --> 01:38:50,719 on the Paul bennewitz case and it's a 2189 01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:53,030 sad situation you know we have talked 2190 01:38:57,640 --> 01:38:55,130 about it on the show a number of times 2191 01:39:00,250 --> 01:38:57,650 but just the the whole thing I feel so 2192 01:39:03,100 --> 01:39:00,260 he was really really used Paul Bennett 2193 01:39:05,919 --> 01:39:03,110 Paul bennewitz was in general just 2194 01:39:07,410 --> 01:39:05,929 because he probably did see I will agree 2195 01:39:10,540 --> 01:39:07,420 with you he probably did see military 2196 01:39:13,379 --> 01:39:10,550 you know experimental aircraft or just 2197 01:39:16,029 --> 01:39:13,389 plain you know technology some 2198 01:39:19,330 --> 01:39:16,039 technology that they at the time just 2199 01:39:22,270 --> 01:39:19,340 didn't want people paying too much or 2200 01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:22,280 any attention to it all yeah yeah the 2201 01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:23,920 whole thing is unfortunate and tragic 2202 01:39:30,250 --> 01:39:27,440 yeah and this goes back to the 1980s I 2203 01:39:32,739 --> 01:39:30,260 believe is that one yeah and so you 2204 01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:32,749 think of it you know if they had this 2205 01:39:37,330 --> 01:39:35,210 unusual technology all the way back then 2206 01:39:40,209 --> 01:39:37,340 and the way technology gropes and leap 2207 01:39:42,729 --> 01:39:40,219 grows them leaps and bounds you know who 2208 01:39:45,370 --> 01:39:42,739 knows what they have out there but I 2209 01:39:46,779 --> 01:39:45,380 really don't believe you know when it 2210 01:39:49,180 --> 01:39:46,789 comes to the Nimitz case and the 2211 01:39:51,100 --> 01:39:49,190 tic-tacs I would have a very hard time 2212 01:39:53,709 --> 01:39:51,110 believing that those who are actually 2213 01:39:57,339 --> 01:39:53,719 our technology really just with all the 2214 01:40:00,009 --> 01:39:57,349 everything that it did bring yeah yeah 2215 01:40:03,310 --> 01:40:00,019 not at all couldn't possibly be anything 2216 01:40:05,799 --> 01:40:03,320 well that you think about the g-forces 2217 01:40:08,709 --> 01:40:05,809 and in the right-hand turns and things 2218 01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:08,719 like that and that collagen it eyelids 2219 01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:10,880 right what's that I'm not talking about 2220 01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:13,130 pilots obviously I'm not talking yeah 2221 01:40:16,779 --> 01:40:14,690 but I'm not talking about what a pilot 2222 01:40:19,299 --> 01:40:16,789 would take in a g-force talking about 2223 01:40:20,919 --> 01:40:19,309 the equipment itself there's nothing 2224 01:40:23,469 --> 01:40:20,929 that could really hold together that we 2225 01:40:26,379 --> 01:40:23,479 have that we know are as you know as far 2226 01:40:28,180 --> 01:40:26,389 as we know that we know about yeah but 2227 01:40:30,580 --> 01:40:28,190 here's the thing people like for 2228 01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:30,590 instance and I'm just analyzing I'm not 2229 01:40:35,060 --> 01:40:32,730 coming 2230 01:40:37,370 --> 01:40:35,070 that Clause at the end of your sentence 2231 01:40:39,740 --> 01:40:37,380 people a lot of people will dismiss 2232 01:40:44,990 --> 01:40:39,750 thinking about that but that we know 2233 01:40:47,930 --> 01:40:45,000 about is a huge fat marginal of clause 2234 01:40:51,380 --> 01:40:47,940 there that the the it's the that we 2235 01:40:54,710 --> 01:40:51,390 don't know about that is a lot more 2236 01:40:57,290 --> 01:40:54,720 important than a lot of folks really 2237 01:41:00,650 --> 01:40:57,300 want to acknowledge or or do acknowledge 2238 01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:00,660 you know naturally and that's the key 2239 01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:03,090 that we know about oh yeah you and I 2240 01:41:09,970 --> 01:41:05,040 don't know that there's not some type of 2241 01:41:12,710 --> 01:41:09,980 been some type of you know super metals 2242 01:41:16,270 --> 01:41:12,720 you know that they've put together or 2243 01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:16,280 super what's the word not metals but 2244 01:41:22,940 --> 01:41:18,290 plastics 2245 01:41:24,710 --> 01:41:22,950 metamaterials metamaterials okay we only 2246 01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:24,720 have a minute we don't know we only have 2247 01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:26,250 a minute left but I do want to I do want 2248 01:41:30,260 --> 01:41:28,050 to make this point though huh people 2249 01:41:31,850 --> 01:41:30,270 have been seeing this type of technology 2250 01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,860 for 50 years 2251 01:41:34,700 --> 01:41:33,360 and I don't think there's any way 2252 01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:34,710 possible that we could have hidden 2253 01:41:39,380 --> 01:41:37,440 something like that or why we wouldn't 2254 01:41:44,090 --> 01:41:39,390 use it in a war situation if we had that 2255 01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:44,100 technology I've heard that in the first 2256 01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:45,840 Gulf War and I heard this when I was on 2257 01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:47,730 active duty that there was something 2258 01:41:50,810 --> 01:41:49,530 that was deployed even before the 2259 01:41:56,150 --> 01:41:50,820 stealth one ahead of the stealth 2260 01:41:58,460 --> 01:41:56,160 fighters that was so bizarre to the 2261 01:41:59,870 --> 01:41:58,470 enemy forces that saw it that it scared 2262 01:42:03,680 --> 01:41:59,880 the hell out of them it was something 2263 01:42:07,130 --> 01:42:03,690 that was in flight and I was never able 2264 01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:07,140 to learn more details about that so Wow 2265 01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:09,570 you know well we are out of time I hate 2266 01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:11,730 to say it we're out of time thanks so 2267 01:42:16,340 --> 01:42:13,920 much for for being on the show it's been 2268 01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:16,350 a it's been a real pleasure thank you 2269 01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:18,930 I've enjoyed talking with you all right 2270 01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:21,210 all right take care now sorry to YouTube 2271 01:42:25,820 --> 01:42:23,730 alright alright everyone so that is it 2272 01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:25,830 for the show this evening thank you so 2273 01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:27,810 much for listening next week we'll be 2274 01:42:34,430 --> 01:42:31,410 back with michael hall interesting 2275 01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:34,440 guests and so stay tuned for that and i 2276 01:42:37,340 --> 01:42:36,000 want to thank everyone for listening and 2277 01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:37,350 everyone that helps out with show 2278 01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:39,600 alejandro for helping us out with the 2279 01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:41,280 news in the beginning our guest Ben 2280 01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:43,650 Hansen and of course Walter Bosley 2281 01:42:46,979 --> 01:42:44,800 that's it and 2282 01:42:57,970 --> 01:42:46,989 night and remember to keep your eyes to